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What is the current status of Onshape + Generative Design?
andrew_kleinert
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There's a colab YouTube video between Onshape and Paramatters dated Dec 2019 ...
https://www.onshape.com/en/resource-center/articles/whats-is-generative-design
... in that video they mentioned that an Onshape integrated app would be coming soon. It's been nearly 18 months and there doesn't appear to be anything in the Onshape app store.
Meanwhile Onshape has been sold to PTC who appear to have their own Generative Design solution. Are there any integration plans with that?
Is there a roadmap for native generative design within Onshape?
https://www.onshape.com/en/resource-center/articles/whats-is-generative-design
... in that video they mentioned that an Onshape integrated app would be coming soon. It's been nearly 18 months and there doesn't appear to be anything in the Onshape app store.
Meanwhile Onshape has been sold to PTC who appear to have their own Generative Design solution. Are there any integration plans with that?
Is there a roadmap for native generative design within Onshape?
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As I understand it all collaboration with Parametters is dead. I use both neither seems to be moving in the direction of integration. I have heard rumors that there is some work being done within Onshape to offer generative at some point.
Most of my career has been working with clients from startups to Fortune 50 companies, taking products from concept into production. I've never heard of any client or ID partner suggesting we use generative design as part of the process.
The interest in generative design is to get the SLS print cost down by only printing the material needed. I know that sometimes there’s an interest in getting weight down (eg: aeronautical / automotive applications) but that’s not a design criteria here.
This particular part is going into a high value / low volume product which can justify having an SLS printed part, but the potential benefit of cutting down the part price using generative design is worth exploring.
There are a few ways of potentially making this part, but I thought I’d explore what options there are for generative design.
Wouldn’t that be about how the generative design is constrained? For example, a design could be constrained to a single plane, and the output would be something that could be die cut?
https://youtu.be/t_h_WmBhRXA?si=iFojD9FCgWaPSqDD
https://youtu.be/x_Jt1jiQjhA?si=5yxqKRroxfU4-si0
Onshape is in a unique position to easily leverage data center level assets on a problem that's friendly to parallelization to a wide user base. I don't know what kind of assets they have to develop all these features though. It's a shame there's no big software development grants for this kind of thing.
The instance I recall us using it was for an injection molded part that was a cantilever that supported about 75 lbs. It had a 1" metal tube plugged into its bottom, and two 1/2" metal tube plugged into its side, 90 degrees from the bottom tube. The plastic part transferred the load between the tubes. We used the software to come up with the structure of the plastic part. What it came up with I recall was not that intuitive, and I don't think one of the engineers would have come up with it without the software. We ended up modeling the shape and made it into a product. It worked well.
That was around 2008 I recall. I personally have not seen another case before or since. I think PTC ended up buying that company a couple years later, but I'm not certain. I don't remember the name of the software.
Anyway, just making conversation:)
@michael_zeagler is correct - Generative Design is indeed an area of active development for us. In fact, just this past week, we began the first of (many) many hands-on user tests of the application.
It took Onshape Simulation almost nine months of EVP testing before reaching production readiness, and we are prepared to take as much time as needed for Generative Design as well. Having said that, I hope to share more news publicly over the course of this year as we refine the product.
It has been almost six years since I joined PTC (with the acquisition of Frustum Technologies Inc) and I have never been more excited for our future. After laying the groundwork with Onshape Simulation, I believe that we have some very special advancements in store for Onshape Generative Design.
Thank you all for your eager anticipation. I hope to share more with you soon.
Best,
Chris Gromek
We can go very quickly from requirements to parts. 10x faster and structure performance is ~3x better.
See: https://youtu.be/t_h_WmBhRXA?si=1nWZR1Ffi4qGfzP2
Fusion has a robust algorithm, doesn't require a starting design, allows for remote mass representation, has CNC machining constraints, and robustly creates a BREP CAD model, not just a tessellated solid.
I can't wait to see what OnShape comes up with!
You can follow my LinkedIn for updates on our progress: (1) Ryan McClelland | LinkedIn