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Public document usage limits - unfuzzy me
dapug
Member Posts: 17 ✭✭
The ultimate question:
Can open/public documents be used in commercial products?
Notice that I am addressing the documents, not the plan - and I think there is an important distinction.
My Scenario
If I have an open source project where my community (hobbyists and the like) creates publicly available documents, BUT those assets are NOT intended to be limited use (any person, or company should be able to use them as they see fit, noncommercial or commercial).
Is this allowed on documents created using the free plan???
The confusion stems from the fact that the free plan is what is typically used to create public documents. Here is my attempt to break it down and understand Onshapes expectations...
Terms: Private/Public, Commercial/Noncommercial:
In the terms it seems clear, the free plan is not for commercial use:
https://www.onshape.com/legal/terms-of-use#subscriptions
But then in various places on the site, you find things like there where is says "If you are using Onshape for commercial purposes, we recommend using Private Documents".
https://www.onshape.com/cad-blog/tech-tip-using-public-documents-in-onshape
Recommend? Or Require?
Furthermore, here is a post that claims the free plan can be used for commercial purposes, the only trade-off being that your documents are not private.
https://forum.onshape.com/discussion/8710/what-counts-as-a-commercial-use
"...free plan users can use Onshape commercially" ... "Right, you pay for privacy".
Example of open source:
A software project that uses an open-source document in their commercial product is allowed, provided they follow the OSS licensing terms associated with that document (not the tool that made the document**).
Likewise with hardware: What if I use all or part of a public document to develop my commercial hardware? I mean, heck, there are all sorts of screws, hinges, fitzer valves and so forth out there that might have been created with the FREE plan of Onshape. Am I prohibited from using those, and must re-create them myself in Standard or Pro?
Or, more extreme, what if I mill or 3D print a part that was fully created by someone for free and in the "public domain" and, as long as I followed the terms of the author and their OSS license, I sell that part?
Open Source
Referring again to the official commentary by Onshape in their blog:
"The point of using a Public Document is to build projects that you would not mind other Onshape users viewing or copying. For creating Public Documents, the Onshape Free Plan is great for hobbyists, makers and open-source designers to build models with a professional-grade 3D CAD system at no cost"
Note: Open Source by definition CANNOT prevent commercial use, otherwise it ceases to be open source, regardless of whether said source (document) is publicly visible and accessible. See the OSI FAQ: "All Open Source software can be used for commercial purpose; the Open Source Definition guarantees this".
At NO point in any open source license that I have seen, has the issue of **"what tool did you use to create the document?" even be a factor, at all, ever. The tool does not dictate the usage of the document. As I see it, Onshape free plan is the tool, and the document itself is public/open. With this in mind, it seems that limiting commercial use of Onshape public documents would be wrong, out of step. But hiring a team of paid workers to create those public documents using the free plan would be wrong, violating the sensible intent of the free plan.
Am I on track here? I'd love to hear from some authoritative source from Onshape about this. Look at my scenario, and clarify the question of public document use.
Can open/public documents be used in commercial products?
Notice that I am addressing the documents, not the plan - and I think there is an important distinction.
My Scenario
If I have an open source project where my community (hobbyists and the like) creates publicly available documents, BUT those assets are NOT intended to be limited use (any person, or company should be able to use them as they see fit, noncommercial or commercial).
Is this allowed on documents created using the free plan???
The confusion stems from the fact that the free plan is what is typically used to create public documents. Here is my attempt to break it down and understand Onshapes expectations...
Terms: Private/Public, Commercial/Noncommercial:
In the terms it seems clear, the free plan is not for commercial use:
https://www.onshape.com/legal/terms-of-use#subscriptions
But then in various places on the site, you find things like there where is says "If you are using Onshape for commercial purposes, we recommend using Private Documents".
https://www.onshape.com/cad-blog/tech-tip-using-public-documents-in-onshape
Recommend? Or Require?
Furthermore, here is a post that claims the free plan can be used for commercial purposes, the only trade-off being that your documents are not private.
https://forum.onshape.com/discussion/8710/what-counts-as-a-commercial-use
"...free plan users can use Onshape commercially" ... "Right, you pay for privacy".
Example of open source:
A software project that uses an open-source document in their commercial product is allowed, provided they follow the OSS licensing terms associated with that document (not the tool that made the document**).
Likewise with hardware: What if I use all or part of a public document to develop my commercial hardware? I mean, heck, there are all sorts of screws, hinges, fitzer valves and so forth out there that might have been created with the FREE plan of Onshape. Am I prohibited from using those, and must re-create them myself in Standard or Pro?
Or, more extreme, what if I mill or 3D print a part that was fully created by someone for free and in the "public domain" and, as long as I followed the terms of the author and their OSS license, I sell that part?
Open Source
Referring again to the official commentary by Onshape in their blog:
"The point of using a Public Document is to build projects that you would not mind other Onshape users viewing or copying. For creating Public Documents, the Onshape Free Plan is great for hobbyists, makers and open-source designers to build models with a professional-grade 3D CAD system at no cost"
Note: Open Source by definition CANNOT prevent commercial use, otherwise it ceases to be open source, regardless of whether said source (document) is publicly visible and accessible. See the OSI FAQ: "All Open Source software can be used for commercial purpose; the Open Source Definition guarantees this".
At NO point in any open source license that I have seen, has the issue of **"what tool did you use to create the document?" even be a factor, at all, ever. The tool does not dictate the usage of the document. As I see it, Onshape free plan is the tool, and the document itself is public/open. With this in mind, it seems that limiting commercial use of Onshape public documents would be wrong, out of step. But hiring a team of paid workers to create those public documents using the free plan would be wrong, violating the sensible intent of the free plan.
Am I on track here? I'd love to hear from some authoritative source from Onshape about this. Look at my scenario, and clarify the question of public document use.
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2: In here, admittedly before the TOS change, multiple people are also under the impression that the free plan can be used for things you make money off of, as long as the designs themselves are public.
This second understanding of the free plan appears to be confirmed by something later in the TOS:
How can 1 and 2 both be true?
This implies to my non-lawyer ears that anyone is able to do what they want with the content in my public document, including sell copies of that content or derivatives of it.
Is the distinction here between the content created in Onshape, and the use of Onshape itself? Is the TOS saying that I can sell the actual document data in my public documents, but that I may not make money off of using Onshape? Is this the correct understanding and does this distinction make any sense.