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Let's talk about... money.

With all the respect to the price point (cause compare to solidworks or autodesk is cool), and it is a great pice of software. But, the enter point for someone who would like to design something and maybe sell it later and also don't want to throw quite a lot of bucks and share his ideas with everyone. I don't understand why there are no low level pricing options for some guys who just start, or really small one guy companies. It could be like dunno, 19.99/mo but you can have 1-3 prv project and have to under 30K/Y or something. Take a look on what company called Allegorythimic done with pricing point for their software for smaller companies/indies, basically bellow 100K/Y. I really, really like Onshape, but further I go with the idea I have and some chances to sell the product someday I think now I am forced to switch to fusion360 cause it finally get metal sheet and is FREE for commercial for 1st Y/100K. So really guys you need better pricing point for new guys. Metal sheets and 3d printing comes cheaper and cheaper and home prototyping become more popular.

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  • kustaa_2kustaa_2 Member Posts: 39 ✭✭
    Can't help commenting that: I make a nice living out of product development and writing software and it would not cross my mind to buy a daily cup of coffee, let alone a Starbucks coffee. I own own two automatic espresso machines  and a restaurant level coffee maker, but they have resell value and the price won't be hiked every now and then because I own them. I also don't wast my time on cable or Netflix or entertainment. 

    But both comparisons are very poor, they are what I would call consumable where as an MCAD design is an investment which is effectively held as hostage in the cloud subject to what ever Onshape decides or whatever happens to them.

  • RyanAveryRyanAvery Member Posts: 57 EDU
    kustaa_2 said:

    But both comparisons are very poor, they are what I would call consumable where as an MCAD design is an investment which is effectively held as hostage in the cloud subject to what ever Onshape decides or whatever happens to them.

    I doubt anything like that has ever happened or would ever happen. Also, you can download the files you make and store them on your machine if you are worried about them disappearing. 
  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,112 PRO
    @kustaa_2
    Most of software has a way to block you out (license server) if they feel like it. It doesn't help that you know you have paid for software if they just decide your license is not valid anymore. So it's always up to 'whatever they decide or whatever happens to them'.
    Just think about it for a moment and you notice that almost everything connected to internet is actually controlled by a cloud service.

    To be honest, Onshape is the only cad I have ever used that has had zero licensing problems during almost 3 years. All others have blocked me out at some point because of some reason in somewhere that I couldn't help (usually after update) - then I send in a ticket and wait for few days; local data is not so useful if you don't have access to the software.
     
    //rami
  • edgerunneredgerunner Member Posts: 7 EDU
    3dcad said:
    I would say it's also good for business to pay a decent amount of your tools, it keeps you on subject and don't let you burry your projects for months because you pay for it.
    Onshapes annual cost should be pretty easy to gather in countries where a cup of coffee cost >$3, should be doable even for startups.
    But for the countries where month's salary is like $10, it can be difficult to justify - but then again, developers need to eat too..

    It is actually funny how people buy all kind of useless stuff all the time ($800 cell phones) but when you ask more than $1 for software, they will spend hours for searching pirate or free alternative.. =)
    Agreed… (emphasis mine)

    I am on the verge of completely ditching SW (which I already invested in) in favor of OS, but besides the lack of couple of key features (configurations and proper surfacing), the major thing that concerns me is my currency's (TRY) nosedive plunge versus almost everything else (USD, EUR etc.). I make a decent income out here but when expressed in US dollars, it halved in the last two years. I'm concerned that if this trend continues, OS may become too expensive to sustain for me.

    That fabled Starbucks coffee went down from $4 equivalent to $2.25 here, even after a price hike. They wouldn't sell any if they kept the $4 price point.

    Dear OS, you should consider country-based pricing. Take Steam for a good example: They became the only game vendor that actually makes money in Turkey after switching to local pricing.
  • thong_van_nguyenthong_van_nguyen Member Posts: 11
    3dcad said:
    I would say it's also good for business to pay a decent amount of your tools, it keeps you on subject and don't let you burry your projects for months because you pay for it.
    Onshapes annual cost should be pretty easy to gather in countries where a cup of coffee cost >$3, should be doable even for startups.
    But for the countries where month's salary is like $10, it can be difficult to justify - but then again, developers need to eat too..

    It is actually funny how people buy all kind of useless stuff all the time ($800 cell phones) but when you ask more than $1 for software, they will spend hours for searching pirate or free alternative.. =)
    3dcad
  • thong_van_nguyenthong_van_nguyen Member Posts: 11
    Hi All, 

    I am study the Onshape with many points ( technical and investment ) for my company , I very need many expert advice from guys. Specially about pricing policy, warranty,etc. Could you help to talk something on that ??

    Best regard, 
    Thong
  • RyanAveryRyanAvery Member Posts: 57 EDU
    Hi All, 

    I am study the Onshape with many points ( technical and investment ) for my company , I very need many expert advice from guys. Specially about pricing policy, warranty,etc. Could you help to talk something on that ??

    Best regard, 
    Thong
    go to here: https://www.onshape.com/contact
  • keith_marshkeith_marsh Member Posts: 40
    edited February 14
    One thing people forget when they use the Starbucks analogy...
    When I order my skinny caramel macchiato the cashier doesn't reply that will be $1500 please and there will be one waiting for you here every day for the next 12 months, if you don't collect it, don't worry we will dispose of it for you foc (maybe they are missing a trick here).

    Also as mentioned very few of us purchase a Starbucks daily in fact (I may be the most boring person in existence but...) there is nothing I purchase personally on an annual commitment that costs this much (other than my house, my car and fuel for both of these), a smartphone contract is less than half that and I use it far more than I would OnShape, broadband is about 1/3 and also used for far more than just OnShape (yes there is life outside of OnShape).
    So I totally understand where the personal users are coming from.

    I really do wish OnShape would revert back to a month by month subscription even for a commercial application it would make sense, I would have no problem convincing management to sign up for that and they would more than likely leave it running indefinitely, a $1500 commitment makes you think twice about your return on investment but a $125 commitment doesn't have the same thought provoking size.
  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,112 PRO
    It would be nice if someone from Onshape commented why they pulled monthly subscription out. They tend to have reasons for the moves they make..
    //rami
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