Own Sketch doesn't work with Super Derive

EvanReese

Anybody know why the Own Sketch feature doesn't work with Super Derive? with the native Derive feature it pulls out only the selected sketch. With Super Derive it gets them all, which defeats the purpose. @ilya_baran
 I think these are both yours so you might know better than anyone.

wayne_sauder

@Evan_Reese
 Your link to Own Sketch takes us to the enterprise account? That is one I don't know if I ever saw. 

EvanReese

wayne_sauder said:

@Evan_Reese
 Your link to Own Sketch takes us to the enterprise account? That is one I don't know if I ever saw. 

edited to fix that.

john_mcclary

So i wasn't the only one trying to super derive an owned sketch today... LoL

EvanReese

Well, if I understand it, you're describing a separate issue, which is also something I was running into. A sketch that's derived doesn't seem to be able to be derived again, which could be nice by limiting the number or derive features needed. For example, we have a document with a derive chain that's something like this: Master Studio (skeleton sketches) -> Main Structure Studio -> Individual Part Studio. If I want to derive items from Master Studio and Main Structure into Individual Part Studio I need two derive features, even though all of the references I need from Master Studio are also present in Main Structure Studio via derive.

It seems like there are a number of improvements that can be made in this area (even though I think it's generally a solid workflow).

ilya_baran

The reason the two features don't work together is a bit technical.  Own sketch relies on lastModifyingOperationId to figure out which sketch an entity actually belongs to.  To optimize multiple derived instances, superderive uses a pattern operation (and for query stability it uses it even if only one instance is derived) so the last modifying operation id turns out to be the pattern, not the sketch, and the pattern creates all of the sketches, which is why they all get "owned".  I don't see a clean way to fix it off the top of my head...

EvanReese

@ilya_baran
That's actually what I figured was going on. Maybe Own Sketch could query for the entities in a different way, but I'm not sure how. Thanks for the update.