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I do agree that @michał_1 's comment had some rather nasty wording and characterizations of other users, but I suggest we do not sink down to his level.
Perfect for trying out Onshape before buying or use it as a hobby tool for you small private ideás.
Now I dont know
I've said it many times to many people in Onshape, but they don't care. Well, I don't care so I'll say it again.
I WOULD GIVE YOU MONEY for a mid-tier account.
YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY MONEY.... so I'm out.
Its so sad. I told everybody I knew how great Onshape was for the makers out there. How it had the chance to be the next "standard" in CAD like Solidworks is today. That's now all gone with no reasonbly entry point. It's just another CAD company, nothing to see here.
-Jim
So you can choose the best fit from 0 - 100 - 200. Very nice.
I'm curious - what sort of Plan B do Pro guys like you have if OS raises the price or reduces features beyond what you find acceptable or, worse, goes out of business completely? All of that data in the cloud will be pretty much useless if you can't access it. Do you routinely export drawings and dumb solids to your own storage or just hope for the best?
(1) It's not like a sandwich vendor upping their prices where the consumer can just have a different sandwich next time. In this case users have pored potentially hundreds of hours into learning OS and creating designs. OK there may not have been an explicit promise that private docs stay private and editable but that's not an unreasonable assumption to make. If I chose to give away product and then if I realise that "oh that was dumb" I'm not going to go back to my customers and ask for my widgets back as I've already given them away, they're not mine anymore.
(2) Worst case I would have expected an announcement of "No more free accounts with private docs, but those with existing accounts will of course be able to keep them." Possibly with a thriving black market of existing log-on details... I'll rent you my old account for what, say $25 a month? ;-)
(3) There's the perception of the whole thing. Even if the change is legal, makes good marketing sense and is in line with OS's strategy going forward why create mistrust? It's already a big leap of faith for many to put their data in the cloud. Now if the account policies keep having the goal-posts moved too then that might be the final straw.
(4) Anyone watch season 3 of "Halt and Catch Fire"? Anti virus SW company sells SW to industry, and gives it free to home users "forever". (All whilst deciding behind closed doors at what time and at what price point to start charging home users.)
OS was a breath of fresh air, and I saw it as empowering a whole raft of new CAD users who would otherwise have been excluded from dipping a toe into the field. Now, not so much, just another SW company.
Owen S.
HWM-Water Ltd
Other than that, I agree with everything what you wrote. Onshape is turning into "just another SW company". The fresh air has turned stale.
Regards,
Owen S
HWM-Water Ltd
I understand that OS wants to make money, but you cannot expect users who want 1-2 private docs for their small projects, to pay the same as pros!!!
OnShape does justice to all who don't trust cloud services. You are hostage to company's wills. Pity, because the idea of cloud CAD is great but the way OS is heading is disappointing.
I work in a manufacturing facility where we use SoldWorks. I've pumped up OnShape in the past to those guys (I'm over IT at the company) but I can't say that I'll put much faith in OnShape in the future. If you guys are willing to not do any research with your customers prior to making such a cruel announcement, then I wonder what happens when you decide that $100+/mo per user isn't enough and jump it to $250 or more.
I'm not riding your optimism and will no longer have the same view of OnShape that I've had in the past. Good luck with your new business model.
Do you get SolidWorks for free if you only create like 10 files with it?
All cad companies asked for full price when I was in need of just very little design work in my company. And for extra computer they said I need another license or I need to de-activate / activate licenses between computers.
I use Onshape everyday and for me it's still a fresh breath of air not having to play with updates and license restrictions between computers..
I'm able to pay a modest fee for modest use.
@3dcad - still interested in hearing what your (or other Pro users) fall back plan is for accessing cloud-based proprietary files if you lose Onshape use for any reason. One thing this has taught is to be very wary of cloud-based programming. If that disappears and a major part of your business depends on it, what do you do?
About Plan B, it is about the same as I have for dropbox, accounting services, emails, bank services, webshops and other online services. It is possible to download data and keep it in my ultimate supersafe unbreakable harddrive that is better than any service in the world..
I don't have any plan B for my webservices as I'm paying for them to keep the data safe. I'm pretty sure Onshape will send me email and tell me to get my stuff out if they are shutting down. And that would be about same as moving from any cad package to another, I have my models but without history.
If they don't then I'm back to where I started when I found Onshape, looking for new cad
But let's assume Onshape run out of money, what would happen? I suppose shut down is not even an option at that point, what they would need to do is cut down expenses and gather profit so they would get rid of free plan, reduce people in customer service and development maybe even sales. I suppose they already have enough customer base to keep the system running, it is the develoment that cost the big money not usage cost.
Any other perspectives on this?
CAD Engineering Manager
I'm looking at it from the perspective of a small company with limited resources, though, and maybe that sort of activity is just normal workflow and accounted for in the cost of doing business for much larger companies.
I'll be sticking around here for a while and will continue using OS on non-propietary projects, assuming it offers some advantages over F360.
I think it is likely that Onshape will develop further, but that does me no good as I don't foresee doing any business with my CAD work, so paying for the Pro Plan is off the table. So for me it will be Fusion 360, and I'll just have to work at getting better in that software instead.
"He mention that git did the same thing...public stuff is free. Private stuff is paid. And there's no in between."
'git' is a software version control tool that is free in every sense of the word.
There is no charge and you get the source code so you can further develop it or fix bugs and install in anywhere.
A company called 'github' offers git as a cloud service along the lines "public stuff is free. Private stuff is paid". There are others with varying business plans. And you can easily setup your own cloud service at the cost of running your own server if you so feel at negligible cost.
The marked difference to Onshape is that if github goes bust for whatever reason you can set up your own 'github', something you cannot do with Onshape.
Not very relevant but thought this needed clarification.
As it stands, I have little choice but to migrate to Fusion 360 or adapt 3D modelling software that I already own a licence for to the task of developing my client projects.
When I eventually make enough to afford Onshape it is unlikely I will come back to it given I will have familiarized/invested myself with the workflow of other software.
I'm ultimately fine with this (not that I have a choice), and I understand how individuals such as myself drift out of the target demographic but it makes it no less disappointing.
I was thinking how will other cads do if company runs out of business? Geomagic needs connection to licensing server every now and then, otherwise program won't start. How about SolidWorks, I suppose it's the same thing?
We can't prepare for everything, if we do it takes so much resouces that cost would be unreasonable.
We had a lot of drawings made with Designer 1.1 which was very good software for quick drafting. After corel bought it there was no new versions on that name, program worked of course since there was no licensing servers at that time. But when I updated to windows 8, it didn't work anymore due to 16bit architecture or so was not supported.. That was the end of story, I had some old computer with old wxp but never used it - so I didn't need those old drawings after all.
Now I'm again in that situation, I have tons of Alibre files but I haven't imported them into Onshape and I have used Alibre only few times after fully moved to Onshape. I have recreated a lot of stuff while learning Onshape though. When I get new workstation someday in future, most likely I don't remember to install Alibre at all..
So if my subscription to Onshape would suddenly end, I would download the most important models that are in constant use and other would stay there in read only mode. Then I recreate stuff with some awesome new cad that has so much better workflow and the best part, it has free version to start with (does this sound familiar?)
I'm curious, how much other companies business relies on old data? How big disaster it would be if those old tapes would disappear someday? I'm not talking about on going projects but something acrhived over a year..