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12" macbook

billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
edited April 2015 in General
2015/04/19 7:36am created
I'm not an apple fanatic and don't have any apple tattoos, I just like their stuff.

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A few weeks ago I became entangled with a group of acad users while visiting a website dedicated to 3D. I was explaining how Onshape is a true cloud product and required no install. To further the discussion I brought up the new 12" macbook and the fact that I could test Onshape at the Apple store before purchasing this new laptop. It's a slower cpu and I wanted to determine if the slower cpu mattered to me. I said I'd post my visit & results on this forum. So here it is.

My local apple store:
I called my local apple store first to see if they had any 12" macbooks on display. They only had slow versions on display.



12" Macbook:
This new macbook weights in at 2 lbs which is my number one criteria for choosing a new laptop. I also upgraded to the 1.3g hz model:


As you can see I walked into the store and logged into my onshape account:


This is just a beautiful piece of work:


Shade & Spin:



Performance
Since Onshape is a true cloud based program, I'm not sure having the fastest cpu is important. This little laptop handled a fairly large assembly with ease.


Verdict
I bought one.


How can you say no to this:





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  • david_sohlstromdavid_sohlstrom Member, Mentor Posts: 159 ✭✭
    How much.
    David Sohlstrom

    Ariel, WA
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    About $2000 usa.
  • moengineeringmoengineering Member Posts: 23
    Hello @billy,

    very nice. But for work the 12" screen seems to be a little bit too small. Do you have a seperate monitor?


    best regards
    martin
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    No big monitor on my office desk, I'll just use the smaller screen. It's retina so it's got high resolution.

    I've never used a side by side monitor arrangement and got use to laptops many moons ago. 

    I'm a mobile engineer and always have my computer in my backpack. At the end of my day, my 3.5 pounder really weights me down. I don't get my 12" macbook for another 6 weeks, back ordered. I'll let you know how it works out.



  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,387 PRO
    I think it's not the biggest screen that makes you productive but the setup you have learned to work with.

    10+ years ago, I did all the 'computer work' on the 15" pc mounted on cnc machines cabinet (while it was running the cnc in the background). I liked it, standing there in the middle of production with hearing protection on building up production management software for my company with open office. After I moved to office, I felt I'm not even close to that productiveness even though I had massive 17" screens and good chair.

    But now after learned new habits, I can't even send an email without my 2x 24" full-hd touchscreens. But still, if I need to create a program for cnc or optimize a cutting layout, I will go in front of machine rather than use the same software in office. 

    3d mouses are one of this kind too, it takes some time to get used to, but when you do - it's very difficult to work without your 'left hand'.
    //rami
  • moengineeringmoengineering Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2015
    Thanks for the answers,

    if I am working in my office, there is a 24" monitor on my notebook, if I am at my customers I work with the 17" display of my notebook.


    best regrads
    martin
  • frank26080115frank26080115 Member Posts: 19 ✭✭
    One or zero USB ports is a deal breaker for a lot of people. I honestly can't believe you would pick the mac over its competitors, see http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/12/8198739/mac-vs-pc-new-macbook-pc-maker-fight

    I am looking forward to getting the new MS Surface 3, dirt cheap, not high powered, good screen with stylus. I wonder if Onshape would work well with the stylus.

    I preordered a Nomad 883 and might need a dedicated computer to feed it GCODE, probably a headless R-Pi with Win10 but still considering a netbook or tablet.

    Also got a 1440p 27" monitor just now, setup beside an older 21" 1080p monitor, productivity is definitely higher, I can essentially effectively use 4 windows at once. Seeing code, schematic, PCB, and 3D model all at once is awesome.

    Can the Macbook even do external monitors with its single USB port? My other laptop is hooked to a 1200p external monitor via USB 3.0 to DisplayPort adapter, the framerate is crap, can't even view Youtube without stutter.
  • andrew_troupandrew_troup Member, Mentor Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2015
    I personally find small, hi-res displays difficult on solid modelling and tricky CAD, because often the colour value of single pixels conveys information, and my colour vision is not good enough for such tiny pixels to work for me.
    Consequently, the best monitor for me is a 27" with "only" 1920x1200 pixel count. Pixels you could write individual greetings on (well, almost)
  • onshaperonshaper Member, Mentor Posts: 98 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2015
    One or zero USB ports is a deal breaker for a lot of people. I honestly can't believe you would pick the mac over its competitors, see http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/12/8198739/mac-vs-pc-new-macbook-pc-maker-fight

    I am looking forward to getting the new MS Surface 3, dirt cheap, not high powered, good screen with stylus. I wonder if Onshape would work well with the stylus.

    I preordered a Nomad 883 and might need a dedicated computer to feed it GCODE, probably a headless R-Pi with Win10 but still considering a netbook or tablet.

    Also got a 1440p 27" monitor just now, setup beside an older 21" 1080p monitor, productivity is definitely higher, I can essentially effectively use 4 windows at once. Seeing code, schematic, PCB, and 3D model all at once is awesome.

    Can the Macbook even do external monitors with its single USB port? My other laptop is hooked to a 1200p external monitor via USB 3.0 to DisplayPort adapter, the framerate is crap, can't even view Youtube without stutter.
    Apple laptops have a lot going for them. Power management has always been very good, component quality is also very high. The extra cost is negligible because resale is very high. I bought a Macbook for $1300, used and abused it for 5 years, and sold it for $600 on eBay.

    You also get two computers in one since it runs Windows natively. Lots of people don't understand that Apple computers haven't emulated windows since 2005.
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    frank26080115 it doesn't bother me to hang an adapter to enable video, I do that now. I hook my office speakers up more than a monitor and it has a dedicated headphone jack in addition to the usb-c port. 

    I'm done with windows, not interested. The runner up was the new chrome pixel laptop coming in at 3.1 lbs.

    I'm still not decided on weather to load the SW stack on my new laptop, ie... virtual machine, windows & SW. It'll take over a day and a lot of headaches to install this stack. I'm going to try and go without it for as long as I can. Loading windows on a laptop is a nightmare.

    I switched to macs along time ago so I could drop down into a unix shell and talk to servers. It's just not a CAD machine.






  • mcconnell113mcconnell113 Member Posts: 73 ✭✭
    It's one of those things that you have to actually try a mac to understand why you'd pick it over everything else. I couldn't use anything less than my 15 inch retina MBP at least for mobile. I do plan to build a windows 10 PC in the nearish future though because there are lots of windows things I'd like to accomplish and just don't have the hard drive space for it all with my bootcamp macbookpro
    John McConnell - Let's change things.
    Saplingstore.com
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    McConnell113 I didn't want this to turn into a MAC vs. Windows thing. The point of the story is that I walked into a store and logged into my Onshape account to see if I liked how the computer ran the software. OMG! no install. That was the point.

    Talking about windows for me is like talking about old girl friends, it's best not to.



  • pete_yodispete_yodis OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    billy said:
    McConnell113 I didn't want this to turn into a MAC vs. Windows thing.
    Talking about windows for me is like talking about old girl friends, it's best not to.

    @billy Oh boy... What's the next topic?  Designs without 2D drawings...lol  :D ;)
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    @pete isn't it crazy, operating systems are like a religion. 

    I think a drawing-less society should be our 2nd priority, let's do 1 planet 1 set of units 1st. :)



  • mcconnell113mcconnell113 Member Posts: 73 ✭✭
    billy said:
    @pete isn't it crazy, operating systems are like a religion. 

    I think a drawing-less society should be our 2nd priority, let's do 1 planet 1 set of units 1st. :)



    would gladly switch to using metric if that's how the world made things
    John McConnell - Let's change things.
    Saplingstore.com
  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,387 PRO
    billy said:
    McConnell113 I didn't want this to turn into a MAC vs. Windows thing. The point of the story is that I walked into a store and logged into my Onshape account to see if I liked how the computer ran the software. OMG! no install. That was the point.

    Talking about windows for me is like talking about old girl friends, it's best not to.



    Another point could be that if your mac is out of battery you can walk to your new girl friends windows 8.1 laptop and login to your Onshape account without needing to ask her admin password to install anything  B)
    //rami
  • onshaperonshaper Member, Mentor Posts: 98 ✭✭✭
    Only in American engineering would we have implicit units... pounds. Keeps the other guys guessing. :smiley: 
  • andrew_troupandrew_troup Member, Mentor Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2015
    billy said:
    @pete isn't it crazy, operating systems are like a religion. 

    I think a drawing-less society should be our 2nd priority, let's do 1 planet 1 set of units 1st. :)



    would gladly switch to using metric if that's how the world made things
    McConnell113 , but if you mean what I think, here's my take on the question:

    The rest of the world would stop making inch stuff in a heartbeat if the US would only stop ordering it.


    The only other official inch users are Myanmar (formerly Burma) and some small nation in the Horn of Africa region, IIRC.
  • pete_yodispete_yodis OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    billy said:
    @pete isn't it crazy, operating systems are like a religion. 

    I think a drawing-less society should be our 2nd priority, let's do 1 planet 1 set of units 1st. :)



    @billy Next we move onto everyone and everything being stamped with an IP adress #worlddominance  :p
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    Christmas came early this year.

    I got a shipment yesterday afternoon:



    Unpacking an apple product is an experience. Everything is well designed and meticulously thought out. Took less than a minute to boot my new 12" macbook.


    In less than 2 minutes I was in OS designing on my new hardware. This is a nice feature, no load software. I'm still struggling with the idea of loading SW on this machine. I'll have to load a virtual manager (easy), then load windows (nightmare), load SW (time consuming). Not looking forward to this journey.



    Last night I told a friend that my new computer arrived and he asked if I was going to spend the night configuring my new computer. Not really I said. I logged into my old mac and dragged the applications to my new mac and was done (about 10 minutes).

    There's no getting use to this new mac. I like the keyboard and the screen has a great resolution. The trackpad touch and shaking feedback, I can't tell any difference. Maybe I haven't experienced the moving trackpad yet. I do notice a big difference going back to my 13" mac which seems heavy and hot. 

    I guess the biggest advancement with my 12" mac will come tomorrow when I slip it in my backpack and head off to work. Carrying a 2lbs laptop around, priceless!




  • pete_yodispete_yodis OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    @billy ; Thanks for sharing.  Looks really nice.  When heavy desktop programs all go to the cloud or the modern store versions, there will be very little configuration of new machines to do.  I can log into any Windows 8 pc under my Microsoft account and everything starts to sync for me.  Email, contacts, apps, files, etc...  Very cool stuff.  Let's kick desktop heavy stuff to the curb.
  • adrian_vlzkzadrian_vlzkz Member Posts: 132 PRO
    edited May 2015
    It's one of those things that you have to actually try a mac to understand why you'd pick it over everything else. I couldn't use anything less than my 15 inch retina MBP at least for mobile. I do plan to build a windows 10 PC in the nearish future though because there are lots of windows things I'd like to accomplish and just don't have the hard drive space for it all with my bootcamp macbookpro

    I use my wife's Macbook Air often, and I still prefer Windows all the time! OSX is clean but I don't feel it brings me any considerable improvement or productivity gain. Besides the hardware choice for Windows is above and beyond, maybe if Apple finally had the balls to do something different like the windows convertibles I'd give Macs a chance.
    Adrian V.
    Sr. CAD Engineer
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    So I get into work carrying 2 computers with me in my backpack, that's 3.5lbs + 2lbs. One of the kids at work told me to copy my virtual environment from my 13" macbook to my 12" macbook.

    It took awhile to copy the virtual machine over wifi but 45 minutes later it was copied onto my 12" macbook. The mac address was changed on booting the virtual machine with my old data and after a couple of window reboots, everything is fine.

    If you run a virtual environment and you get a new computer, just copy the environment from your old computer to your new computer.




  • pete_yodispete_yodis OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 666 ✭✭✭
    @billy Gotta love the virtual environments in moments like that.
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