Improvements to Onshape - February 2nd, 2024

Henrik_Stromme · February 5

Ahhh. Finally. I can't express how long I have longed for for the "Rigid" option !! Thanks

jeff_brown304 · February 5

I particularly like the improvements to Mate Connectors. As a further enhancement, I would find it useful if there were a way to create multiple copies of the same Mate Connector with different owners. I often want this feature when designing mating parts that all move relative to some common point such as a pivot.

S1mon · February 5

jeff_brown304 said:

I particularly like the improvements to Mate Connectors. As a further enhancement, I would find it useful if there were a way to create multiple copies of the same Mate Connector with different owners. I often want this feature when designing mating parts that all move relative to some common point such as a pivot.

You want multi mate connector.
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/5d8da63844bedebe5cff72b1/w/96a36142be717fc84a504e3f/e/629230d0d394845d93416361

3d.2 · February 5

Some things seem to be broken in the new rigid PS insertion feature.

-First of all, once a rigid PS is inserted into a sub-assy, before doing any constraints or fixing it doesn't indicate that the group has degrees of freedom. However the parts that are mated to it in this sub-assy are correctly shown as having DOFs. If you then insert this sub-assy into a higher level assembly, everything seems to work fine.

-If you do fix the rigid PS group or mate it to the origin in the sub-assy, if inserted into a higher level assembly, this sub-assembly then loses its grouping, parts fly apart and mates start dropping errors.

-Also, I'm not able to replicate the specific case, but at least in one case some Frame parts are not being inserted with the rigid PS.

Either way, once fixed it's going to be a critical long awaited feature. I've lost too many hours updating my assemblies for new parts and cleaning un red parts.

Alex_Pitt · February 5

Sheet metal bends from sketches; long awaited and most welcome. Rigid part studios is fantastic! That, coupled with the mate connectors on sketch entities, as the man says, really powers up Layout based design! Thanks for these quality of life improvements!

billyzelsnack · February 5

matthew_stacy said:

"Parametric Part Studio" (insert part studio as "Rigid") seems to be limited to static groups of parts. Part additions or deletions propagate from Part Studio to Assembly, but wouldn't it be great if those individual parts could subsequently mated to allow controlled degrees of freedom? "Rigid" is a great tool for limited applications.

The underlying core functionality is part associativity. I would prefer to see an option to select Rigid/Free.

Both closed and unclosed composites work with rigid. Setting up composites for independent bodies in your part studio and then inserting your part studio multiple times with appropriate suppressions is not too bad a work around.

stvnvl_8501 · February 5

thanks. huge update!

ladislav_pochop · February 5

So this is a really powerful update! Thank you very much for it!

don_b · February 5

"Rigid" Somewhat confused....I thought the way one should design here is one part one part studio....so now you are encouraging multi-part studios?....

john_mcclary · February 5

don_b said:

"Rigid" Somewhat confused....I thought the way one should design here is one part one part studio....so now you are encouraging multi-part studios?....

Oh noooo! one part studio per part? Yikes!
The Onshape standard was always to do multi-part part studios.
That's how you get your designs super parametric and quick. You share the same sketches and dimension clearances off other bodies directly in one studio.

Who told you one part per studio?!

There is a rabbit hole you can fall into though, you still want to break down your part studios into smaller chunks.
I like to use the rule of thumb, keep the feature tree under 100 features or so.
So for example, make all the parts of a linkage arm assembly in one studio.

don_b · February 5

It was said in an "improve performance video" Right now I have 470 part assembly ...will not work multi-part studio ....and am getting resource exceeded notes at assembly
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/875a31545b88515f455b1903/w/60363b016e2d28df08ca502b/e/103da319c1aa224a5eee9915

john_mcclary · February 5

I see the error that you have too many part studios, not parts.

The warning is telling you to move the part studios into multiple documents.
Which may be where you are confused.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/du/alr4kuwaeui7.png

That and you're forcing the highest tessellation on some parts
That's a resource killer.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/l1/xqeg38y0024r.png

The remaining issue may be your computer?
I'm running in edge on a new laptop, and it all loaded up in a couple seconds, I'm getting 100+ fames a second rolling around.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/5y/l2ue1cv17aja.png

Here are what your stats look like

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/8e/hh3ukqvd3i0f.png

compare that to a couple of our projects
Loads up an about 20 sec. gets around 30-40 frames a sec.

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/dm/974muxhqmyri.png

Here is the close-up of the stats:

it's broken into 9 sub documents

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/dq/ktas2xrqf7nc.png

60% of everything shown is only created with these 3 part studios:

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/9s/84g2kqn6x3vm.png

So, you are nowhere near the cap of what is possible.

Personally I hate multi-document design, but when you have large installations (such as what I showed)
Then it just makes sense to break it down that way.

Since most of what you have drawn are tubes that are welded to eachother.
I would have made one part studio drawing a simple tube.
Then make it configurable to any diameter/wall/length.
You would have been able to make most of your structure from just that

william_holden959 · February 5

Very helpful! I know it's not the place, I'd like to see: Copy/paste features from one part studio to another, all beginning with a sketch & plane. A flat or zero degree flange option. And the ability to toggle (tab key?) the orientation of mate connectors.

don_b · February 5

john_mcclary said:

I see the error that you have too many part studios, not parts.

The warning is telling you to move the part studios into multiple documents.
Which may be where you are confused.

That and you're forcing the highest tessellation on some parts
That's a resource killer.

The remaining issue may be your computer?
I'm running in edge on a new laptop, and it all loaded up in a couple seconds, I'm getting 100+ fames a second rolling around.

Here are what your stats look like

compare that to a couple of our projects
Loads up an about 20 sec. gets around 30-40 frames a sec.

Here is the close-up of the stats:

it's broken into 9 sub documents

60% of everything shown is only created with these 3 part studios:

So, you are nowhere near the cap of what is possible.

Personally I hate multi-document design, but when you have large installations (such as what I showed)
Then it just makes sense to break it down that way.

Since most of what you have drawn are tubes that are welded to eachother.
I would have made one part studio drawing a simple tube.
Then make it configurable to any diameter/wall/length.
You would have been able to make most of your structure from just that

Since most of what you have drawn are tubes that are welded to eachother.....

Not welded but separate parts with clips and riveted together....

there are 3 main possible sub-assemblies...front spar, rear spar, and tubes connecting inbetween.

Without detailed study of your extensive project perhaps you can quick answer...

I need to be able to edit tubes connecting ....so a question I have is :
say I have an assembly made up of 3 subassemblies which are in 3 separate documents
am I able to edit in context in the main assembly (I would hate to spend days constructing to find out answer is NO)

Can you post a link to your project?

kohen_judd · February 5

Is this update live?

NeilCooke · February 5

william_holden959 said:
A flat or zero degree flange option.

See "Tab"

NeilCooke · February 5

kohen_judd said:

Is this update live?

As of last Friday

Josiah_Harthcock · February 5

Love this guys! This is awesome! Bend line with sketch will really speed up certain geometry builds!

david_mcmahon · February 6

And although fixes for iOS/iPadOS were not mentioned, they finally fixed one really annoying bug that has existed for years. I can now pan and zoom drawings smoothly on my iPhone and iPad!

jacob_kelley486 · February 6

This update seems to have removed all the keyboard shortcuts for me. I'm on Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon, using Firefox 122.0 browser if that is at all useful. I often use "i" for coincident, "e" for equal, "d" for dimension in drawings, and "ctrl+z" to undo, among others. Even when I hover over the buttons, which usually says what the shortcut is, it doesn't say what the shortcuts are anymore, as if there never existed in the first place. Should this be something I post somewhere else?

Chris_D_Mentes_001 · February 7

@3d.2 I'm having a similary issue. It'll probably be handled soon. But I inserted a rigid part studio and after making a few changes some parts that were'nt deleted are missing from the assembly. They are missing even if you re insert that studio as rigid which may be a clue. I'm sure this will be handled soon.

3d.2 · February 7

3d.2 said:

Some things seem to be broken in the new rigid PS insertion feature.
-First of all, once a rigid PS is inserted into a sub-assy, before doing any constraints or fixing it doesn't indicate that the group has degrees of freedom. However the parts that are mated to it in this sub-assy are correctly shown as having DOFs. If you then insert this sub-assy into a higher level assembly, everything seems to work fine.
-If you do fix the rigid PS group or mate it to the origin in the sub-assy, if inserted into a higher level assembly, this sub-assembly then loses its grouping, parts fly apart and mates start dropping errors.
-Also, I'm not able to replicate the specific case, but at least in one case some Frame parts are not being inserted with the rigid PS.

Either way, once fixed it's going to be a critical long awaited feature. I've lost too many hours updating my assemblies for new parts and cleaning un red parts.

Chris_D_Mentes_001 said:

@3d.2 I'm having a similary issue. It'll probably be handled soon. But I inserted a rigid part studio and after making a few changes some parts that were'nt deleted are missing from the assembly. They are missing even if you re insert that studio as rigid which may be a clue. I'm sure this will be handled soon.

Fixing or mating the rigid PS group to origin seems to be working today and doesn't cause the parts to become un-grouped in a higher level assy.

-Still doesn't indicate that the group has degrees of freedom even if not fixed or mated anywhere.

-Still doesn't insert or update some parts in some cases which I'm not able to replicate.

Can't wait to start fully using this feature once fixed.

Sarang_Kandekar · February 7

Chris_D_Mentes_001 said:

@3d.2 I'm having a similary issue. It'll probably be handled soon. But I inserted a rigid part studio and after making a few changes some parts that were'nt deleted are missing from the assembly. They are missing even if you re insert that studio as rigid which may be a clue. I'm sure this will be handled soon.

Hi Chris,
Could you please get in touch with support team and share the use case where the parts are missing in rigid part studio even if they are not deleted from part studio.

martin_kopplow · February 8

All of these are very much improving everyday usability. Can't actually say which one I love best, only time can tell. Great!

MichaelPascoe · February 8

I was so focused on the Vision Pro update that I missed some of the others

Parametric rigid part studio inserts into assemblies!!! This changes everything.

This is fantastic, thank you team!

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5022071/uploads/editor/rn/w2f8pykn3i3g.gif

Rhett_Robinson · February 8

Really happy with the updates! I have found something that seems restrict the usefulness of the rigid part studio in some instances, specifically when having previously added entities of only one type (only parts for example and needing to add a second type (composite part for example). See my improvement request for more details: Update Rigid Part Studio Filters — Onshape.

MichaelPascoe · February 9

Hats off to whoever wrote the Bend tool. It has some nice options

wout_theelen541 · February 10

Good update, I think there should be a disclaimer with that rigid video though. Even though you could add all those gussets should you add just one? It looks like you had 4 new parts in the BOM even though they are all actually the same part.

ken_xu · February 17

matthew_stacy said:

"Parametric Part Studio" (insert part studio as "Rigid") seems to be limited to static groups of parts. Part additions or deletions propagate from Part Studio to Assembly, but wouldn't it be great if those individual parts could subsequently mated to allow controlled degrees of freedom? "Rigid" is a great tool for limited applications.

The underlying core functionality is part associativity. I would prefer to see an option to select Rigid/Free.

before this feature, if you insert a complete part studio, the parts are "free" after insertion.

ken_xu · February 17

don_b said:

"Rigid" Somewhat confused....I thought the way one should design here is one part one part studio....so now you are encouraging multi-part studios?....

speaking from experience , if some parts are very much related , it's better to model them in one part studio, much better than in context editing, and you can change one master sketch to drive them all.

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