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Mate motion propagation/inherit through assembly levels

olaf_huber644olaf_huber644 Member Posts: 10 PRO
I have the following assembly structure

Top-Assembly
 Sub-Assembly 1 (stationary)
 Sub-Assembly 2 (rotating relatively to Sub-Assembly 1)

With Sub-Assembly 2 having the following structure
Sub-Assembly 2
 Sub-Assembly 3 (stationary)
 Sub-Assembly 4 (sliding relatively to Sub-Assembly 3)

Now on top-Assembly level I have one revolution mate, so that Sub-A2 can rotate around Sub-A1 (0°-90°).
This is the motion when the Assembly is moved from its parking position to its working position.

Once in the working position only the slider should move up and down.

With my structure I believed I could "isolate" the motions, as the slider is "contained" in Sub-A2
But when I rotate it (animate), also the slider mate moves simultaneously.
Only with temporarily fixing a part of Sub-A2 in the desired position I can move/animate the slider with out rotating the whole sub-a2

Is there a better way to model it?
Or how are the mate laws inherited in the structure?
I wanted to attach a video but do not know how that works.
but I might share the document/assembly if someone likes to help.

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  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 2,032 PRO
    Please share the assembly, It's easier to see your situation if we can just grab the part and move it. then examine the mates.

    But I do know sub assembly mates can be tricky sometimes. Especially if you have more than one part fixed, or misuse group mates.

    I'm trying to picture what the animation "should" look like vs what you are actually getting.
  • olaf_huber644olaf_huber644 Member Posts: 10 PRO
    @john_mcclary
    Please let me know how I can share the document with you. I guess I need your email address to share the document only with you (individuals tab)
    I tried typing your name but it was not auto-filled in then...

    I am located in Switzerland, due to the timezone I can not promise I am still there in case we want to do a small websession explaining the case. 
  • olaf_huber644olaf_huber644 Member Posts: 10 PRO
    @john_mcclary

    Here are 2 pictures explaining shortly the problem:

    When I drag the sub-assembly (1) "Schneide Schwenkteil" as arrow (2) indicates, it shoud rotate around bearing point (3) as the top-assembly Mate "Schwenken" defines. The carriage 4 should not move during the drag (but it currently does)...



    On the other hand: once the sub-assembly is in the working position, animating the crank drive (1) should only move the carriage (2) but not the whole sub-assembly (Schneide_Schwenkteil) as it currently does...

  • MBartlett21MBartlett21 Member Posts: 1,624 EDU
    @olaf_huber644
    Can you make the document public and share the URL?
    MB - I make FeatureScripts: view FS (My FS's have "Official" beside them)
  • olaf_huber644olaf_huber644 Member Posts: 10 PRO
    @MBartlett21:
    I hesitate making it public as it is IP of our company.
    Please let me know how i can exclusively share it with you.
  • MBartlett21MBartlett21 Member Posts: 1,624 EDU
    You can PM @john_mcclary for his email to share it with (click on his name, then click message in the top-right corner)
    MB - I make FeatureScripts: view FS (My FS's have "Official" beside them)
  • michael_mcclainmichael_mcclain Member Posts: 178 PRO
    If you need someone located in Europe to call and help you through this then I can assist you. I'm over here in Slovakia.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 2,032 PRO
    I've helped people 1 on 1 all the way in Austrailia, turns out I only sleep for 4 hours, so the odds I am awake are pretty high :wink:

    I'll pm you my email you can share with. 
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers Posts: 1,300 PRO
    Couldn't you just save some positions and click through them? It's how I'm handling automated equipment and have positions defined for each step of the automated process. I can simply click through the steps (named positions).

    I'm also using the mate reset a lot to return to a default position.

    I use your "lock" mates to define the positions, then suppress them and toggle around using positions. For the equipment to behave, it has to indeterminate which is your problem. What should move when I drag something? I think positions help here. I keep the "locks" as positions tend to need to be updated periodically. It's not that hard to maintain positions.

    I use named positions a lot for this type of stuff.

    I'm hoping for animations between named positions so I can get a piece of equipment to perform for me.

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