Comma/Dot?

krisjanis_zarins

Using a non US keyboard I have a issue with my NumPad. My old keyboard/my language settings has comma on the NumPad, not a dot. OnS does not recognize both witch really bugs me. Every single precise dimension must be typed using a dot witch is far away and disturbs my workflow. 

Could there be a fix for this? Otherwise you guys are doing a great job! I can imagine becoming a engineering freelancer when such software runing on GNU/Linux is available. Other packages are way too expensive to afford in my region. 

moengineering

Hello @krisjanis_zarins, 

you can change your windows settings to get the point and not the comma. I had the same issue in another CAD program, and my solution was to add the American Keyboard and so I can switch between the english and german keys.

Here is an english description for windows. Don't know which Linux version you run, but the settings should be the same


best regards
martin


Edit: Screenshot added

3dcad

Onshape should provide support for using which ever if there isn't any specific use for comma. @LouGallo do you have any comments on this? 

krisjanis_zarins

I agree @3dcad. If the software is intended for any device with a browser, maybe not even my own device, the user interface should be user friendly for any keyboard configuration. 

Sindre_Abrahamsen

In solidworks, both comma and dot would result in a decimal dimension. I think in programming, there is a difference, but when engineers specify dimensions, 20.5 mm would be equal to 20,5 mm.

owen_sparks

Sindre_Abrahamsen said:

In solidworks, both comma and dot would result in a decimal dimension. I think in programming, there is a difference, but when engineers specify dimensions, 20.5 mm would be equal to 20,5 mm.

Sorry but that's not my experience.  In the UK a comma is simply a separator per thousands to aid visibility; a dot denotes a decimal point.

So here:-

1,000,000 = 1000000 = 1 000 000

1,000 = 1000 (Not 1)

1,000.1 (One thousand and one tenth)

1,00 (Not valid as in the wrong place for delimiting a thousand and not a decimal point)

So for me at least 20.5 is not equal to 20,5

It's easy to see how a mars lander might miss by an order of magnitude!

Cheers, Owen S.

 

Sindre_Abrahamsen

Onshape does not recognise the comma as a thousands separator. I would like to use my numpad for entering decimals, but the comma just throws off an error. 

Sindre_Abrahamsen

owen_sparks said:

In the UK a comma is simply a separator per thousands to aid visibility; a dot denotes a decimal point.

So here:-

1,000,000 = 1000000 = 1 000 000 

Totally off topic, but is it possible to use another notation for that? examples: 1e6, 1M, 1x10^6

NeilCooke

@Sindre_Abrahamsen - I believe the comma denoting decimals is used mostly in Europe and South America, everywhere else uses the decimal point. We have discussed allowing both, but the issue arises when writing equations in place of values. For example, an equation driven from an array that uses commas to separate values not decimals. It's complicated for sure.

NeilCooke

And yes, you can use 1e6

owen_sparks

@NeilCooke  Similar issue here with some automation barcodes that had worked for years right up to the point they didn't.  Turned out we ha some new customer accounts with commas in the customer's name.  That didn't play nicely when encoded into a comma separated variable string.   Red faces that day.

3dcad

I hate these comma, dot, etc. formats. I suffer with onshape everytime not being able to use numpad. Then again I could change the setting but then I have problems with other software. Same goes with erp vs windows settings timestamp can be 08:55:30 or 08.55.30 - calculation between the two obviously doesn't work..

I did make a strong request for allowing dot and comma back in 2015 or so. Maybe a complete table for separators into user configurations is needed? Excel and google sheets works so why couldn't Onshape.

I would use ',' for decimal and ';' as separator in arrays etc.. for computer they could be '§' and '&' or 'a' and 'b' .. don't make it complicated, they are only parameters that can be anything if you consider this when coding.

bradley_sauln

I have found some untested but seemingly valid ways to remap a comma to a period on the keypad/numpad for our users that utilize the comma in place of a decimal point...

Windows: https://superuser.com/questions/747250/dot-instead-of-comma-on-numerical-keyboard

Mac: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/229509/apple-keyboard-remap-keypad-comma-to-dot

I don't have any physical devices on-hand with a comma configuration to test these myself so if you bravely attempt one of these. Let us know about your experience.

3dcad

@bradley_sauln
The problem is Onshape being the only software where I would like to have dot on numpad - for everything else I need it to be comma. Only solution would be browser extension to recognize onshape and make the swap - sounds like a big hassle with plenty of headache..

Sindre_Abrahamsen

bradley_sauln said:

I have found some untested but seemingly valid ways to remap a comma to a period on the keypad/numpad for our users that utilize the comma in place of a decimal point...

Mac: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/229509/apple-keyboard-remap-keypad-comma-to-dot

Let us know about your experience.

I tried this on my Mac, but it does not work. I suspect Apple changed this after Catalina upgrade which I run.

3dcad

Onshape is asking us to input text instead of number?
It should allow anything as decimal separator what is set to be decimal separator in current system. Same goes for list separator.

albjerre

@NeilCooke You could translate “European” inputs to “American” inputs on the fly when a user submits an input in an input field, so the code always operates internally with dots as decimal separator and commas as input separator. In Excel, we Europeans normally use semicolons as input separators instead of commas in formulas. So you could translate that on the fly as well.

nicholas_kerslake

Hey don't know if this has been answered definitively as this thread seems to cover a lot, however I have found the setting to change in Onshape if you do want decimals on your drawing dimensions instead of commas.

On the far right of the workspace click the little spanner icon for "Drawing Properties" then change the Decimal Separator drop down option from comma to period. Hope this helps someone.

 

Axel_Kollmenter

NeilCooke said:

@Sindre_Abrahamsen - I believe the comma denoting decimals is used mostly in Europe and South America, everywhere else uses the decimal point. We have discussed allowing both, but the issue arises when writing equations in place of values. For example, an equation driven from an array that uses commas to separate values not decimals. It's complicated for sure.

Why dont you make it optinal for each user in his own settings? So you can go to settings and select the period version or the comma version.
Like in the Drawings. (What @nicholas_kerslake said.)

I mean it is possible for each rotational movement (if you came from solidworks or other CAD-Software) why dont also make it possible for this kind of setting?


@NeilCooke @lougallo @bradley_sauln
Best regards

Axel_Kollmenter

 

tindan

Workaround
I found a workaround using AutoHotKey to switch numpad ',' to '.' only in OnShape document web pages. However the script looks at the window/tab title to identify when to do the switch and unfortunately the titles only contain the document title and document tab so there's no fixed string to search for. I solved that by installing the extension Tab Modifier to change the title name.

Tab Modifier for Chrome based browser
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tab-modifier/hcbgadmbdkiilgpifjgcakjehmafcjai

Name: Whatever you want

Detection: Contains

URL fragment: cad.onshape.com

Title: Onshape

AutoHotkey script
https://www.autohotkey.com/

;Remap ',' numpad key to '.' to support OnShape decimal numbers

SetTitleMatchMode 2  ;2: anywhere in title

#IfWinActive OnShape  ;if 'OnShape' in the title

NumPadDot::

Send, .

return

Thiago_Rabello

I have another "Workaround" for this, but I agree it should be set in the user preference as stated above.
What worked for me (since I can't install Chrome extensions due to company policy) was to create another system keyboard using Microsoft's own app for that (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=102134) and remapped the numpad comma key to be a dot.
After compiling the project, run the setup, reboot the computer and choose the preferred keyboard.

_anton

This has been addressed: https://forum.onshape.com/discussion/20801/improvements-to-onshape-april-28th-2023

  

cj_foks

Adding selection between comma and dot in "My account > Preferences" Would sole this problem.

colella

I just wanted to use my numpad with a non-US keyboard, I don't get why this has to be such a headache. The decimal separator in the numpad usually just registers as <Num .> no matter your layout and whatever system you're using should interpret that into comma or dot, depending on which you prefer.

Since I wanted to continue using dot with my non-US keyboard without having to go back and forth between keyboard layouts just for OnShape, I found an extension for Chrome that allows exactly that. It's called Tampermonkey and let's you create some JS scripts for Chrome.

If anyone needs this, here's my script:

// ==UserScript==

// @name         Onshape Numpad Decimal Override

// @namespace    http://tampermonkey.net/

// @version      1.0

// @description  Map numpad decimal to period on Onshape

// @match        ://.onshape.com/*

// @grant        none

// ==/UserScript==
(function() {

'use strict';
// Listen for keydown events on the document

document.addEventListener('keydown', function(event) {

    // Check if the event is the Numpad Decimal key

    if (event.code === 'NumpadDecimal') {

        // Prevent the default action of the key

        event.preventDefault();


        // Insert a period (.) instead

        const activeElement = document.activeElement;


        // If the active element is an input or a text area

        if (activeElement && (activeElement.tagName === 'INPUT' || activeElement.tagName === 'TEXTAREA')) {

            // Insert the period at the cursor position

            const start = activeElement.selectionStart;

            const end = activeElement.selectionEnd;

            activeElement.value = activeElement.value.slice(0, start) + '.' + activeElement.value.slice(end);

            // Move the cursor after the inserted period

            activeElement.selectionStart = activeElement.selectionEnd = start + 1;

        } else {

            // For other areas, simulate typing a dot

            document.execCommand('insertText', false, '.');

        }

    }

});

})();

eric_pesty

https://forum.onshape.com/discussion/comment/108579#Comment_108579

You mean like this?