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New M1 Pro and M1 Max Apple Silicon
nick_papageorge073
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New Apple chips and MacBook Pros were released yesterday. I know a lot of OnShape users use Macs. I bought the lowest spec of the 14” Max configuration. I’m super excited. (25 year fanboy, and stock holder).
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I’ve been running OS on an M1 Air and M1 Mini (both lowest spec of 8GB Ram /256 GB SSD for the past year and have been super happy. About the only time I’ve had the system slow down is if I’ve had many desktop spaces open, and 5 or 6 simultaneous OS sessions with big assemblies. It’s never slowed me down I’d just close some browsers to get memory back.
I’m looking forward to see if anything will slow down this new machine. It should be delivered in about 2 weeks. I’ll report back how I like it.
I’m looking forward to see if anything will slow down this new machine. It should be delivered in about 2 weeks. I’ll report back how I like it.
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Has their 3D performance improved?
Here is one of my test models I open when testing Onshape on a computer:
Guitar | Guitar (onshape.com)
It should get close to 60fps (hit ctrl+D cmd+D to bring up the statistics)
This model was only getting about 15fps on the other M1 macs i've tried
The gif was recorded at 65fps but still doesn't do the smoothness justice that I'm used to seeing.
I'd also like to see the system check and how that compares
What does a system check show on your machine?
I ordered a new MacBook Pro with M1 Max yesterday. We'll see how it fairs. I'm assuming it will pretty much blow everything I've used up til now out of the water, but we'll see...
Most likely I was using just safari because I was testing on a best buy floor model.
If there was chrome or firefox installed I would have defiantly went to those first.
Good to know Safari itself may have been the bottleneck
Is one related to reading lines of memory and the other relating to how quickly the data is converted to triangles and rendered?
here you can see how triangles create faces, the more you have the smoother it looks until the point it looks round
In cad we also have lines, which is basically the wireframe of the parts
here the faces are hidden so only the lines are shown
this is also why fasteners are so expensive to add into a model, and why round parts look jagged sometimes. (tessellation)
any cylinder or round face needs to be split into many triangles.
Here you can see a washer, with some jagged edges, and in red I outlined where 6 of the triangles are
Now imagine how many triangles are on that smooth bolt cylinder..
Eventually all these triangles need to be displayed, so your graphics card is capable drawing so many to the screen every second.
The faster your card, and the more memory, the better.
I like my old M1. Here's my old M1 specs:
When you get your new M1 max, please post your new numbers.
I'll be keeping my old M1 air as the new 14" is 6mm bigger and 3.5lbs. I wish they'd bring the 12" back.
Anyone buy a pixel 6? How's it stacking up against the intel world? Hopefully google will release a screaming chromebook.
I did buy a M1 tablet and tried to use it. 2 hours later I returned it. iOS is not ready for prime time, at least for me.
I saw you posted the system test results in another thread, but I was wondering if you had an opportunity to do any other test?
Also wondering what your impressions of the machine are. (Yes I did search and saw a lot of peoples first impressions and all the test bench runs) would love to hear from a follow onshaper, is it worth the price it commands?
I just got the stock mid level 16" MBP (Apple M1 Pro with 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine 16GB unified memory) and figured I'd share some stats. Overall I'm super impressed with it, especially for the 'mid lvel
Guitar Model
Absolutely thrashing and spinning it on my 27inch monitor I could get the FPS to drop to 35, but most of the time it stayed around 45- 50 FPS, and the computer fans did not kick on. It's nice not having a jet engine in the background or worry about burning your desk/lap when working.
Here's the performance check.
Is this in Safari or Chrome, or ???
Edge
Safari
Chrome
Firefox
I've done enough testing on my current machine (2015 MacBook Pro) to see that repeating the tests a bunch of times yields some variation (no surprise, since it's going to depend on all the other system processes and to some degree on some network latency in initiating the test). I'm guessing that the differences shown between browsers here are essentially noise.
I'd love to have a more accurate way to measure performance.
For example, the current nVidia GTX 3090 card is an absolute monster but appears similar to many other cards on our tests - when it fact it is probably several times more powerful. We do have an improvement to more aggressively scale the workload based on the card being tested, so that results would appear much higher than say 800+.
I am hoping the 600m + gives me plenty of speed in drawings.
Twitter: @onshapetricks & @babart1977
Do you like your new mac?
Twitter: @onshapetricks & @babart1977
When I got my M1, a year ago, homebrew didn't run. There's been so many advancements in MAC code to take advantage of this new RISC architecture, every day something new is released. You know about rosetta right? I force loaded it, not waiting till it was needed. I have had no issues running anything except homebrew which has been released and no longer a problem.
This CPU is revolutionizing everything. Wait and your M1 max will become more relevant.
One of the things I was working on at my last job was feedback for automation. Currently cognex & keyence dominate the visual sensor interpolation market and both laugh at their deep learning capabilities, which is sad. What we were looking at was tapping into Google's AI libraries and saying goodbye to cognex & keyence sensors. I have a mac mini and was using it as a system controller. Automation is all about sensing and with the newer mini macs you could host 10 cameras and run the images through it's neural net giving you amazing real time feedback. Have you ever run something 10,000 times and then something, boom, happens? These events are going to get easier to handle in the future.
Make sure you're running Google's M1 chrome version, don't run chrome through rosetta and keep it updated.
The most impressive thing about the M1 is battery life. I stopped watching TV and stream movies at night on my laptop. I've never used more than 50% of my battery watching movies all night long. Who needs a 60" TV?
I was reading an article the US government selecting a new IT provider after Microsoft leaked everyone's info with their uncaught exchange backdoor issue. Google's pushing their AI library as the reason for choosing them as an IT provider. What computer on this planet can run neural nets better than anybody?, M1. If the world is going AI, then we'll be needing a CPU that can handle it.
I read an article about google's new risc chip, found in the pixel 6, developed using AI but they said it's GPU is a standard chip that's not integrated. It wasn't that impressive for gaming or, more importantly, CAD. I was hoping google's risc chip was more advanced and they would put it in chromebooks. I think their new chip would be better than an intel chip, but it could be better if they integrated the GPU like the M1.
There's articles out there that say M1 will cook & eat nvidea and ATI for lunch.
No one cares about CAD and we're the step child to the gaming world. They'll be improvements to our world like real time texture mapping and ray-tracing so when we design a brick wall, it'll look like a brick wall. I can't believe we're still stuck with 256 colors. I think the multi-thread aspects of CAD belong on a server and amazon will have to build a server bank of M1's before we'll see any improvement to OS. As far as your browser instance and running multi-cores, do we really need to solve 10 sketches simultaneously? I don't know how the M1 max will help a client based CAD computer.
Anyway, I think you just bought of piece of the future. I think it's a great investment.