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Onshape has been acquired by PTC



  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,894 PRO
    I am ignorant when it comes to Creo, can you point out a few of the things your talking about that Creo does differently?
  • don_williams909don_williams909 Member Posts: 139 PRO
    edited October 2019
    david_7 said:
    "...SolidWorks shows up and you can run it on your laptop! Nimble development and nice Windows interface. It gets bought up and slowly turns into bloatware with each release becoming less stable than the last..." 
    You should have also mentioned AutoCAD, which is the biggest piece of convoluted bloatware ever created!  LOL

    Also, there was McDonnell Douglas Unigraphics, which was incredible (now Siemens NX) back in the day.
  • don_williams909don_williams909 Member Posts: 139 PRO
    @john_mcclary - Lots of things!  The biggest things are the ability to create and saved exploded states in assemblies, a fully featured assembly tree that allows you to activate a particular part and modify it right in the assembly, and create parametric relationships.  You can group items withing an assembly tree, in what is essentially a folder structure.  You can also use parameters to drive drawings, models, etc.  You can modify the surface colors and textures of individual surfaces, not just the whole part.  Dimensioning of drawings is easier, as well as being able to have those exploded views show up in drawings, along with explode lines.  Check out the capabilities on their website, as well as Youtube videos.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,894 PRO
    Ok, sounds like all the same stuff that solidworks does.

    Thankfully Onshape is set up to have full parametric relations with exploded states with the way in-context works.
    All they need to do is add an interface for creating explosions faster. Otherwise you can do it today with configurations. Just tedious AF.

    A few of the other things you have mentioned are pretty standard, Onshape just needs to catch-up in those areas.
    There are a lot of improvement requests out for most of that. Just a matter of waiting and hoping :)

    I was wondering if there was anything fundamentally different that makes Creo parametric stronger than SW or Onshape.
    Like something in the kernel that is more robust than parasolid. Or something that makes the links between files easier to manage.
    SW parametric is basically garbage and should be avoided at all costs. (at least when linking other files or contexts)
    Onshape has the strongest parametric modeler (in theory) just because everything is in a database. So linking contexts between other documents or parts is practically invisible, albeit slow to regen at times.

  • philip_thomasphilip_thomas Member, Moderator, Onshape Employees, Developers Posts: 1,381
    @don_williams909 - All much needed functionality! :)

    Exploded views - coming
    Edit in context - here today! (RMB)
    Folders in Assembly Tree - Please submit pro enhancement request to move it up the list (I would love it)
    Parameters can be mapped to properties that are then used in the drawings - open a support ticket if you need help doing this
    Face colors - coming!
    As always, you the pro users determine the order in which we work on things - the pro supports tickets are how we know what to work on. GREAT LIST! :)
    Philip Thomas - Onshape
  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers, User Group Leader Posts: 2,014 PRO

    I couldn't finish it, 

  • larry_haweslarry_hawes Member Posts: 478 PRO
    billy2 said:

    I couldn't finish it, 

    Well at least you got it started... ;)
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,894 PRO
  • michael3424michael3424 Member Posts: 676 ✭✭✭✭
    Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but how will the acquisition affect the vendors and applications in the Onshape App Store?
  • dan_schniersdan_schniers Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    I have used PTC Proengineer-Creo for almost 30 years and I don't know if other Proe users have noticed this but a lot of the command structure is very similar in Onshape. when I started using Onshape I was able to start using it very quickly because of this I think that PTC sees the writing on the wall that more and more Companies are wanting cloud based software so that they do not need to have I.T. to do updates and maintain the software, this is something that i have had to do for years. The one thing I hope is that the customer service for Oshape does not get as bad as PTC's has over the years.          KEEP Onshape GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,470 PRO
    I have used PTC Proengineer-Creo for almost 30 years and I don't know if other Proe users have noticed this but a lot of the command structure is very similar in Onshape. ..
    I think this is the case between majority of cads in this range (solid works, solid edge, inventor, alibre) and creo by your note as I don't have experience n that..
  • emagdalenaC2iemagdalenaC2i Member, Developers, Channel partner Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2019
    I will love to see in Onshape the Frustum technology (bought 1 year ago for 70 million).

    PD: Please tell PTC people that we are going to develop an Addin to integrate Onshape with ERP systems ;)
    Un saludo,

    Eduardo Magdalena                         C2i Change 2 improve                         ☑ ¿Por qué no organizamos una reunión online?  
                                                                         Partner de PTC - Onshape                                     Averigua a quién conocemos en común
  • Marco_SavaryMarco_Savary Member Posts: 12
    Insane!!!! This news is Insane!!!
    I'm a ProEngineer since version 18 and Onshape user since the beginning and I hope this goes well. But I don't see a single common thread between the two software. PTC has a very nasty pricing scheme and a convoluted data manager "Windchill." and Onshape it is not like that.
    Onshape is a Multibody and Creo is a single part modeler. And on and on. Both applications are so far apart in every click.

    By the way. Onshape name is going away for sure. Just saying! Perhaps Creo Live!

    The merger has to be quick or PTC will chop Onshape limb by limb, and by 2025, no one will know this company ever existed.

    But If you guys can pull this off and merge Creo into Onshape, and the current PTC customer can downgrade to a SaaS license, then the game is on. Bye-bye SW.

  • Jake_RosenfeldJake_Rosenfeld Moderator, Onshape Employees, Developers Posts: 1,646
    Us cloud people would probably say "upgrade to a SaaS license" ;)
    Jake Rosenfeld - Modeling Team
  • owen_sparksowen_sparks Member, Developers Posts: 2,660 PRO
    I do wish people wouldn't use the term "SaaS" like it's a good happy thing. Some of us are old enough to remember buying stuff and actually owning it afterwards...
    Business Systems and Configuration Controller
    HWM-Water Ltd
  • Marco_SavaryMarco_Savary Member Posts: 12
    In 2007 PTC bought another multibody cad system called Cocreate and What happened???. As a user, I only notice a few changes: They got rid of the name of Cocreate into Creo Elements Direct. And they brought into Wildfire the Push and Pull modeling Trick. And just now, 12 years later they are introducing sketching with crossed shapes. Cocreate had that feature in 2007. I don't recall anything more.

    If PTC bought Cocreate in a Fire Sale, perhaps it made sense since they got the customer base. Otherwise, there no was value-added to PTC lined up.

    I hope this not happen to Onshape.

    Or Onshape will become the new Creo Elements Direct "Live". And Creo Parametric will not change a bit.

  • don_williams909don_williams909 Member Posts: 139 PRO
    I have used PTC Proengineer-Creo for almost 30 years and I don't know if other Proe users have noticed this but a lot of the command structure is very similar in Onshape.
    I have to disagree to an extent.  Onshape's menu structure and capability is more of a whittled-down version, without anywhere near the functionality available in Creo.  When comparing the two, there's a ton that Creo can do that Onshape can't.
  • adrian_vlzkzadrian_vlzkz Member Posts: 258 PRO
    edited November 2019
    The END of Onshape? Does he have any good points?

    His videos about Onshape are unbearable... The guy has obviously not used it, nor he understands SaaS, yet has big opinions about it. ugh!
    Adrian V. | Onshape Ambassador
    CAD Engineering Manager
  • brucebartlettbrucebartlett Member, OS Professional, Mentor, User Group Leader Posts: 2,137 PRO
    I love the passion on this forum, and to see how much love customers have for Onshape - the technology and the people.  That is really great.  Its been fun to read all the speculation about what good and bad things PTC might do with Onshape.  Here is what I would do if I were CEO of PTC.  Grab a chair.   ;-)

    Jim Heppelmann
    CEO @ PTC
    Hi Jim, thanks for jumping in, we appreciate that you are listening to the current users who have taken a chance on SaaS CAD, the benefits of this platform are huge and I think you've made a good purchase. Also thanks for sharing your vision for Onshape, we are definitely looking forward to the value that PTC can add to accelerate Onshape’s trajectory and as a small business owner with only a few licenses hope that Onshape continues to be the best choice for me.  
    Engineer ı Product Designer ı Onshape Consulting Partner
    Twitter: @onshapetricks  & @babart1977   
  • emagdalenaC2iemagdalenaC2i Member, Developers, Channel partner Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Jim.
    I am sure there will be many Onshape users who will appreciate your words here.
    Borrowing a quote from 'The Blues Brothers' (and @Dave_Corcoran in this old post "Recruiting Onshape's Dream Team Went Far Beyond CAD"): Welcome to the band

    Un saludo,

    Eduardo Magdalena                         C2i Change 2 improve                         ☑ ¿Por qué no organizamos una reunión online?  
                                                                         Partner de PTC - Onshape                                     Averigua a quién conocemos en común
  • romeograhamromeograham Member, csevp Posts: 657 PRO
    Thanks @jim_heppelmann for the thoughtful piece laying out the shared vision around Onshape. As you said - this is a small but passionate user base, and we are growing more passionate (on dependent!) on Onshape over time.

    Our company has transitioned from "SolidWorks first, Onshape on the side" to "Onshape first, SolidWorks just to find old files" in a very short time, and the advantages are clear for us. There is no looking back.

    Can't wait to see where this goes with more resources and such a strong vision to complement and support the fantastic team at Onshape. 
  • kevin_quigleykevin_quigley Member Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
    Thank you @jim_heppelmann for a  really insightful commentary on the whole business strategy of desktop vs SaaS and where it fits in the PTC world. I thought the ICE vs EV anaolgy was inspired - never thought if it that way before. As a Creo user (alongside SolidWorks) I appreciate the back story to the Creo sales strategy. Creo is a phenomenal piece of software - extremely powerful, and VERY undersold, in my view, to micro and SMEs. The Freestyle functionality wipes the floor of any equivalent functionality on offer from any major CAD vendor right now. Then there is Style (as was, ISDX), which albeit is an extra cost module, but very powerful. As a platform it is rock solid and fast.

    But Creo is cumbersome. The licensing protocols are 1990s rather than 2019. It is costly to run (taken as a whole). And it is a substantial cost when you start to add in a lot of the functionality that more specialist design buinesses like ours need (namely surfacing).

    If Onshape is to become the unhindered SaaS solution for SMEs I sincerely hope that PTC opens up the Freestyle and Style jewels to the Onshape development team. Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Freestyle and Style could be integrated at a feature level in Onshape (as it is in Creo)? If that does eventually come to pass then that will be the day that @joe_dunne can call me up and say "Ha Kevin I told you so! Should have taken that $50 a month offer"! ;-)
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