Standard content component requests

Jason_S

We at Onshape are committed to helping our users get their job done. We released Standard content at the beginning of the year with enough components to get many users started, knowing that our content library will continue to evolve over time. We want to see what components users want to see next. 

Please let us know below what content you would like to see. A standard, a component name and a link to to the standard would help us a lot. Gathering reliable standards and modeling these components takes some time so please hold on as we get these out as soon as possible. 

owen_sparks

Hi Jason, excellent

Are we talking fasteners only at this stage or are we free to nominate other stuff like bearings, toggle clamps, USB connectors etc?

Cheers,

Owen S.

Jason_S

Let's keep it to fasteners only right now. I totally recognize the need for other types of off the shelf components, but we have other plans in store for those.

larry_hawes

Something like this?

https://www.mcmaster.com/#set-screws/=1cr7t9l

samuel_holland

If we could get access to McMaster Carr's library of STEP/SLDPRT files that would be fantastic

larry_hawes

Or maybe a smorgasboard approach...

https://www.mcmaster.com/#screws/=1cr7tpz

larry_hawes

Seriously was looking for a set screw the other day - hope that helps.

larry_hawes

samuel_holland said:

If we could get access to McMaster Carr's library of STEP/SLDPRT files that would be fantastic

Looks like I posted right after you re: the McMaster Carr stuff.

As an aside I would like this request for feedback to be more about what OS can offer natively rather than dealing with STEP and SLDPT files. Maybe that's too much to ask but it seems that is what they are asking for??

larry_hawes

I'm needing these in a current design.

https://www.mcmaster.com/#set-screws/=1cr8q76

Jason_S

@larry_hawes ,

1. Posting McMaster links without descriptions of what you are looking for doesn't help us help you. The links bring me to just the front of McMaster's screws/ set screws. Images with descriptions and standard names help us make sure we get the correct component.
2. We support every set screw that Solidworks has in ANSI and ISO today. I don't know what you are looking for.

The list of set screws we support includes:

ANSI

Slotted Set Screw Cone Point

Slotted Set Screw Cup Point

Slotted Set Screw Flat Point

Slotted Set Screw Dog Point

Slotted Set Screw Half Dog Point

Slotted Set Screw Oval Point

Square Head Set Screw Cone Point

Square Head Set Screw Cup Point

Square Head Set Screw Flat Point

Square Head Set Screw Dog Point

Square Head Set Screw Half Dog Point

Square Head Set Screw Oval Point

Socket Set Screw Cup Point

Socket Set Screw Flat Point

Socket Set Screw Half Dog Point

Socket Set Screw Oval Point

Socket Set Screw Cone Point

ISO

Slotted Set Screw Cone Point ISO 7434

Slotted Set Screw Cup Point ISO 7436

Slotted Set Screw Flat Point ISO 4766

Slotted Set Screw Dog Point ISO 7435

Socket Set Screw Cup Point ISO 4029

Socket Set Screw Flat Point ISO 4026

Socket Set Screw Dog Point ISO 4028

Socket Set Screw Cone Point ISO 4027

larry_hawes

My bad Jason, I was not aware of the entire screw list that you support. Looks excellent and am afraid I won't be able to add to your list until I come up against something that is not in the list. Thank you for explaining and demonstrating how complete the list already is.

robert_morris

DIN standard hardware would be great.
I don't know all of the standard numbers, but here are some I've pulled from McMaster that I know I've used from there. I'm sure that there are others.

Socket Head Cap Screws
DIN 7984
DIN 912

Nylon Locking Nuts
DIN 985

Washers
DIN 125

Set Screws
DIN 913
DIN 916

bryan_lagrange

Pressed in studs, nuts, standoffs. Example www.
Pemnet.com 

owen_sparks

Jason_S said:

Let's keep it to fasteners only right now. I totally recognize the need for other types of off the shelf components, but we have other plans in store for those.

Hi Jason, thanks understood.

My first proposal is dowty washers also known as bonded seals.



I'm afraid I've not found a standard yet.

Cheers,

Owen S,

dick_van_der_vaart

These are my favorite's

Din 7380
Din 7991
Din 6923

Thanks

emagdalenaC2i

Equivalence between the DIN and ISO standards of the Onshape standard content:

• DIN 125-1 A = ISO 7089 Plain washer normal grade A
• DIN 438 = ISO 7436 Cup point slotted set screw
• DIN 912 = ISO 4762 Hex socket head cap screw
• DIN 913 = ISO 4026 Flat point hex socket set screw
• DIN 914 = ISO 4027 Cone point hex socket set screw
• DIN 915 = ISO 4028 Dog point hex socket set screw
• DIN 916 = ISO 4029 Cup point hex socket set screw
• DIN 931 = ISO 4014 Hex head bolt grade A & B
• DIN 933 = ISO 4017 Hex head screw grade A & B
• DIN 934-1 = ISO 4032 Hex nut grade A & B
• DIN 934-2 = ISO 4033 Hex nut grade A & B
• DIN 936 = ISO 4035 Hex thin nut grade A & B
• DIN 985-1 = ISO 10511 Prevailing torque nut thin
• DIN 985-2 = ISO 10512 Prevailing torque nut fine pitch
• DIN 6923-1 = ISO 4161 Hex flange nut
• DIN 7991 = ISO 10642 Hex socket countersunk head screw
• DIN 9021 = ISO 7093 Plain washer large grade A

emagdalenaC2i

These are other usual DIN / ISO elements that are not yet available in Onshape:

• Hexagonal head screw with stamped washer. DIN 6921 = ISO 8100
• Hexagonal head screw with stamped washer. DIN 6921 = ISO 8102
• Screw point drill bit hexagonal head. DIN 7504K = ISO 15480
• Hexagon screw, low head. DIN 7984
• High blind nut. DIN 1587
• Square nut. DIN 928
• Nut in T. DIN 508
• Hexagonal nut high. DIN 6330
• Hexagonal nut with beveled collar. DIN 6923-2 = ISO 10663
• KM nut. DIN 70852
• Butterfly nut. DIN 315
• Knurled nut high. DIN 466
• Knurled nut low. DIN 467
• Grower washer. DIN 127 B
• Reinforced flat washer. DIN 6340

Krz

ISO 7379 Shoulder screws  https://www.elesa-ganter.com/products/machine-elements/series/iso-7379

Jason_S

Thanks all! This is a great start. Keep them coming.

@owen_sparks I believe Intertraco is a supplier of the Dowty washers, and they own the IP of these fasteners (I may be mistaken). Much like Penn Engineering and the PEM® fasteners (https://www.pemnet.com/). 

We cannot guarantee the accuracy of these fasteners if there is not an official standard to go off of. Otherwise we will have many users using our content and running into assembly issues after parts are already made because the vendor they ordered from was different than the one we chose. This is a situation no one wants.

I know I have been bitten before when designing around an "official" model from my supplier in the past.

@pete_yodis

bryan_lagrange

self clinching nuts:

https://www.pemnet.com/fastening_products/pdf/cldata.pdf

self clinching studs and pins:

https://www.pemnet.com/fastening_products/pdf/fhdata.pdf

self clinching standoffs:

https://www.pemnet.com/fastening_products/pdf/sodata.pdf

self clinching flush fasteners:

https://www.pemnet.com/fastening_products/pdf/fdata.pdf

floating clinching fasteners:

https://www.pemnet.com/fastening_products/pdf/aladata.pdf

Jason_S

Thanks @bryan_lagrange , 

Those PDFs definitely help. Unfortunately they are missing dimensions to protect IP/copy write of the standard, but there is this line on a few of them.

Many PEM® self clinching nuts in this bulletin are dimensionally equivalent to nuts manufactured to NASM45938/1.

We will purchase the NASPEC and MILSPEC standards associated with as many as possible. 

tom_scarince

Stuff like PEM fastners are begging for their own featurescript that not only creates the part but puts the proper sized interference fit hole in the mating part.  

Henk_de_Vlaam

I like to have also micro screws/components.

For example: the hole feature contains the ISO M1, M1.1, M1.2, M1.4 and M1.8 holes. The standard component Slotted cheese head screw  ISO 1207 lacks these dimensions. This applies also for other (ISO) components.

So please, sync the component threads with the available threaded holes.

Jason_S

H_d_V said:

I like to have also micro screws/components.

For example: the hole feature contains the ISO M1, M1.1, M1.2, M1.4 and M1.8 holes. The standard component Slotted cheese head screw  ISO 1207 lacks these dimensions. This applies also for other (ISO) components.

So please, sync the component threads with the available threaded holes.

Hi @H_d_V, 

Per ISO 1207:2011 for the slotted cheese head screw shows the smallest thread size is M1.6 and then goes to M2 and M2.5.

We understand that you might be able source these components in these sizes, but they do not follow the current standard and any manufacturer of this hardware in the sizes you listed is not following the standard. The sizes you mention might be following a withdrawn standard, therefore might not be available to others.

Designing with hardware that may not sourceable currently or in the future is something we are trying to prevent. 

Mathieu_Guilmette

It would be great if we could have dowell pins

owen_sparks

Mathieu_Guilmette said:

It would be great if we could have dowell pins

@Jason_S we've even got a standard for these "ISO 8734B"

BTW thanks for the Dowty info, you learn something every day.

Cheers,

Owen S.

Henk_de_Vlaam

Jason_S said:

...

Per ISO 1207:2011 for the slotted cheese head screw shows the smallest thread size is M1.6 and then goes to M2 and M2.5.

...

Designing with hardware that may not sourceable currently or in the future is something we are trying to prevent. 

Hi @Jason_S,

I understand that I've not been clear because I should have written "But please..." instead of "So please...".
This because I know that the small dims are not present in the ISO. In the former DIN 84 they were present,  so be it...

So, it looks like that the only way to obtain these screws, bolts etc. - also in future -  is to download or to create (own library configurations).

Thank you, I understand your answer.

tom_scarince

Any chance the native standard parts "source code" will be open-sourced just like featurescipt?  

3dcad

Or feature script equivalent to assembly workspace to create & mount company specific standard parts..   

owen_sparks

@3dcad, that sounds awesome.

MBartlett21

owen_sparks said:

@3dcad, that sounds awesome.

absolutely agree.

@3dcad
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