Standard content component requests

bryan_lagrange

Thank you @pmd I will take a look at the force nuts.

owen_sparks

I wish they'd be split out into their own category within Onshape. 

My understanding of a "Prevailing Torque" nut is something that has a deliberate oval to the shape of the hole. This means that fitting it bends the nut into round which in turn provides the locking.   Used in high temp environments such as exhaust manifolds. Personally I'd not have found these nuts without this thread.

Cheers, Owen S. 

n_schoemaeker

Hi,

I'm not sure this thread is still alive. But I can't find "threaded hex standoffs" like these: https://www.mcmaster.com/spacers/system-of-measurement~metric/threaded-standoffs/

When looking in the annex, the only "standoffs" that I can find are self-clinching ones for sheet metal. But I'm looking for the classic threaded hex standoffs, like we use to separate motherboard from the casing, etc.

Have I missed it, or is there a good reason why it's not there yet?

Thanks

t_cary

Category: Bolts and Screws
Class: Round Head Bolts
Component: Round Head Square Neck Bolt

wayne_sauder said:

Have not been able to find.

Carriage Bolts

Am I over looking them or are they not there?

If not I'd like to see them added.

brucebartlett

@t_cary. I'd also like carriage bolts or as we call them locally coach bolts. I am sure I asked for these years ago but don't believe they are in there anywhere yet, and it's an absolute pain trying to search the standards to work out whether they are or not. I love Onshape until it comes to finding the bolts and nuts to finish a project, then I am like grrr....why can't they fix this to make it joyful to use.   

Please, Please, Please Onshape, make it so we can build our own libraries, rather than a standards library! Personally, I want a commercial or company library with parts that adhere to standards but listed by and searchable the same as where they are bought or stored in the company listings. The Insert tools work great but listings of parts are so painful.

rod_muirhead943

Is there a data base of ALL TYPES of fasteners?  ISO, SAE.  Wood and Metal.  Falling back on Autodesk Inventor's huge data base of these items.

Thanks

wayne_sauder

@Jason_S @jakeramsley
What about a library of O'rings 

PeteYodis

@wayne_sauder You'll find quite a bit here:

wayne_sauder

@pete_yodis
Thanks for pointing that out, I tend to keep my nose in ansi in. And forget that there is so much more.

PeteYodis

yes, part of the harm in cascading dropdown type experiences is getting lost in the forest for all the trees.  We also have improvements to offer a better search/filter experience here that would not necessitate  a standards driven knowledge of things.  Most users don't know which standards things are in and don't much care - at least if they don't have to.  It's also possible at a certain point in time that components comply to multiple standards.  In our typical Agile fashion we try to get a modicum of things out more quickly that are useful and then layer more functions and behaviors over time that continue to deliver better value as resources permit.  

wayne_sauder

@pete_yodis @Jason_S
I need some kind of lock nut in inch standard ???

john_mcclary

It's missing nylocks and toothed washer nuts.

but things like distorted thread nuts can be faked by selecting another material really and filling in the description.

wayne_sauder

@john_mcclary
 I know that can be done, it just irritates my OCD.
 Also if I am not mistaken that sticks with that fastener and you need to remember to reset it the next time you use it. I may be wrong. 

eric_pesty

I think one of the challenges is that Nylon locking nuts aren't governed by any official "standard" so there you can't be sure what you buy will have the same dimensions as what a library would have... In practice you can probably come up with something "close enough" but that makes things a bit tricky. 

john_mcclary

When people asked for standard content, I was like "Oh man that is going to be a headache for someone. They would never do that since there are so many things to add..."

Then Onshape implemented it, and I was like, "Oh man, this is cool, but I feel pity for the poor fool who will have to update this every time someone needs a nut or bolt"

Kudos for Onshape doing our work for us, but there are still a lot of missing pieces left to go.
Like Lock washers for Metric, apparently, they don't exist in ISO, so I have to swap to DIN, then back to ISO. The little quirks that for the longest time I didn't even know were a thing and went without standard content lock washers for the first few jobs because I didn't know they were hidden in another standard. Most of the time I just want the most generic, common, cheapest, most available fastener. I'm actually learning a lot about fasteners that is mostly irrelevant for the low end engineering we do here. 

I still like the simplicity of our fastener library in SW:

brucebartlett

I think we really just need to be able to make our own commercial libraries, I constantly find the std content doesn't meet my needs and use 80/20 standard content to my own parts. Issues include Nyloc's, extra-long bolts, finding correctly sized washers, rivets, nuserts, etc.  I also hate searching through the standards to find what's required.  It would be much easier if I could just build my own library off the standard content available with my own special additions and organized in a more usable way for our own purposes.    I've mentioned it before but I'd like it to work as a commercial hardware store with commercial names that can be remembered for example McMaster Carr rather than a list of standards that mean little to me. 

wayne_sauder

@brucebartlett
 I somewhat agree with the comments. However, who has the time or wants to make and manage their own libraries, if there is an easier or better way I'll take it. 

eric_pesty

In theory, Onhsape should be enable shared "libraries" across all users through public documents, but the issue is finding these as well as needing some quality control so "someone" needs to manage this.
Then you have the issue of different companies needing different custom properties etc... So it's hard to come up with something generic enough.
You could "derive in" from a public library of documents but that brings a bunch of overhead... Hopefully in time you'll see companies provide "native" Onshape 3D cad but "neutral" (i.e. STEP, IGES, etc...)  are here to stay as they work (although not that well...) across multiple cad systems.

john_mcclary

Pretty much what I figured would come of this. I've already began reverting back to my own bolt library. It is a nice attempt, but it will never be enough 

michael_zeagler

PeteYodis said:

yes, part of the harm in cascading dropdown type experiences is getting lost in the forest for all the trees.  We also have improvements to offer a better search/filter experience here that would not necessitate  a standards driven knowledge of things.  Most users don't know which standards things are in and don't much care - at least if they don't have to.  It's also possible at a certain point in time that components comply to multiple standards.  In our typical Agile fashion we try to get a modicum of things out more quickly that are useful and then layer more functions and behaviors over time that continue to deliver better value as resources permit.  

It'd be nice if we could just search the database without those menus, actually. 

arjan_bok

Still no M14 in the standard content is becoming a bit frustrating.

Someone already requested this en 2020, its 3 years and lots of 'improvements' later!

It cant be that hard to set some variable somewhere to add this size to all the metric nuts and bolts.

In agricultural machines M14 is a size which is used very often. I am using M12 as a substitute, but this messes up the BOM and then this has to be edited by hand

S1mon

This thread is popular, and there are also numerous improvement requests for additional standard content - in fact too numerous for me to list them all here. I would hazard a guess that even in companies where they've managed to use standard content for most of their hardware, there are so many holes in the standard content that any serious project ends up needing some custom models or downloaded models for OTS hardware. That would be an interesting metric for Onshape - how many products/projects has your company needed to create or download hardware that was missing from the standard content?

Hopefully there are some updates coming which expand the standard hardware.

bryan_lagrange

An integration with McMaster Carr similar to Fusion would be nice to have. It would probably work smoother with Onshape.