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#TraditionalCADsucks

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  • Ste_WilsonSte_Wilson Member Posts: 82 EDU
    Fewer bugz lol that's cute.... 
     :D  :D
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    I've been learning SolidWorks for university, and I must say, it's been a struggle.

    An allegedly round filleted edge:


    Another filleted edge in a "solid" model, not a surface model:


    A cursed linkage assembly:



    This is just the tip of the iceberg. Other issues I've had:
    - UI elements zipping around in the viewport, completely of their own free will
    - Random features are suppressed when re-opening a document when I am 100% sure I did a rebuild without anything suppressed before saving
    - Can't select some of the entities onscreen
    - Editing child features causes parent features to randomly change selections and break (entering and exiting the parent feature without doing anything fixes this)
    - "Automatic Rebuild" in the configuration table does not always automatically rebuild (took me a while to figure that one out...)
    - Appearance randomization
    - View pings off into infinity sometimes (seems to be correlated with having infinite length lines in sketches)
    - Onscreen gizmos for feature manipulation sometimes don't match what the model actually looks like
    - Endless "unknown error" and "error while saving" pop up dialogs

    Unfortunately, I can't reproduce many of these issues because there isn't a way to step back through each change in history like you can with Onshape.

    I'm sure some of these issues are my fault, but it's still been quite a hassle to try to be productive.


    I forgot to come back and talk about your issue, I was in a cellphone at the time :)

    For the tessellation there are a couple of places to change settings to increase it.


    and in every file they have their own graphic settings too.


    As for the video of your broken assembly. That bug happens to us pretty often. Usually a restart of solidworks is enough to get the selection back. I can't remember what causes it off the top of my head, I always remember after it happens though. Very annoying! Especially when you start getting assemblies that take 10 minutes to save/open.

    Also:
    Whenever you restart SW you should get in the habit of killing all of the SW processes. When SW starts getting crazy like that a lot of times it won't close all of its processes and you will end up with a bunch of zombies processes that will still affect your next SW open.


    There are a bunch of rebuild commands buried in there too, each does something slightly different.
    Rebuild, Force Rebuild, and redraw I use the most





  • alnis_smidchensalnis_smidchens Member Posts: 301 EDU
    Thank you for all of the tips @john_mcclary! I'll be sure to apply all of them. They will definitely save me some time and frustration. Thank you!!
    Get in touch: [email protected] | My personal site: https://alnis.dev | My YouTube channel (I make tutorial videos for Onshape & Inventor): https://www.youtube.com/c/AlnisSmidchens
  • rod_muirhead943rod_muirhead943 Member Posts: 72 EDU
    I hear your pain.  Onshape is lacking in many areas.  They need to step up to the plate and mimic many features and commands from the main systems and players in the market today.  Not totally sold on Onshape yet!  We will see.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    Arg

  • Evan_ReeseEvan_Reese Member Posts: 883 PRO
    @rod_muirhead943
    Believe me, when we get around to implementing this functionality, we won't only have "Rebuild" and "Force rebuild", we'll leapfrog the competition by adding "Force force rebuild" and even maybe "Force force force rebuild"!
    Possibly an unbuild option too just in case
    Evan Reese / Principal and Industrial Designer with Ovyl
    Website: ovyl.io
    Instagram: @evan.reese.designs
  • 3dcad3dcad Member, OS Professional, Mentor Posts: 2,456 PRO
    @rod_muirhead943
    Believe me, when we get around to implementing this functionality, we won't only have "Rebuild" and "Force rebuild", we'll leapfrog the competition by adding "Force force rebuild" and even maybe "Force force force rebuild"!
    I think we need 'Force rebuild all forces you almighty force of all rebuilds'
    //rami
  • romeograhamromeograham Member Posts: 551 PRO
    ..or just "the Force"
  • emagdalenaC2iemagdalenaC2i Member, Developers, Channel partner Posts: 664 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Un saludo,

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  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    edited April 8
    You can always tell what days I run solidworks just by my hair... 


  • steve_shubinsteve_shubin Member Posts: 507 ✭✭✭
    You can always tell what days I run solidworks just by my hair... 
    LOL !!!

    And by the look on your face too John
    NO JOY

  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    well, I mean.. this is my life now I guess...


  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    Upgrade day.

    Great, still have the issue of settings not saving even after skipping a year...




  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    Solidworks is like a loaf of bread. It only gets worse with age...



    Only had 2021 installed for a week, and we've all had bad experiences here so far.

    I'm mean look at this mess..



  • billy2billy2 Member, OS Professional, Mentor, Developers, User Group Leader Posts: 1,552 PRO
    3 year contract for SW! Those dassualt bastrads, they're on the run.

    Don't do it, tell your boss and plead. This is their last ditch effort. 




  • alnis_smidchensalnis_smidchens Member Posts: 301 EDU
    Only in the world of SolidWorks is 10 GB of memory a reasonable amount for a master geometry part with only about a dozen sketches and planes...


    Plus what's going on here with planes from the top part file (the one using 10 GB of RAM) appearing in the bottom part file as weird phantoms?? Some wires seem to have crossed internally! They are present there in 3D, but I can't select them (rebuilding with Ctrl Q doesn't do anything).



    Get in touch: [email protected] | My personal site: https://alnis.dev | My YouTube channel (I make tutorial videos for Onshape & Inventor): https://www.youtube.com/c/AlnisSmidchens
  • homebrewdesignhomebrewdesign Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    We just ended our 3 year contract with SW. After we upgraded to 2021 one of my coworkers was getting corrupted files left and right. Took our IT guy over a month of back and forth trying to get PDM installed, but never quite got it working properly. We should be working only in Onshape within a couple of weeks. Eagerly waiting for proper weldments to get implemented and everything will be gravy.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    We just ended our 3 year contract with SW. After we upgraded to 2021 one of my coworkers was getting corrupted files left and right. Took our IT guy over a month of back and forth trying to get PDM installed, but never quite got it working properly. We should be working only in Onshape within a couple of weeks. Eagerly waiting for proper weldments to get implemented and everything will be gravy.
    So it isn't just us that are having corruption issues more often eh?
    Hell, just this last week I've had to restore the backup of files on 6 occasions already. It used to only be a few times a year.



  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    edited April 19
    Apparently it can barely make step files too...

    Got this from my customer over the weekend.


    What sucks is it took an hour just to get the two pdf's and a step file to him


    Guess I can get a nap in this morning while it exports again... 🥱😴


    Edit:
    Pffftt: Second attempt failed too...


    Funny ONSHAPE OPENED THE STEP NO PROBELM! ... stupid F'ing SW
  • wayne_sauderwayne_sauder Member Posts: 109 PRO
    Has anyone else had trouble with e drawings? Recently the files I export out of Onshape as Solidworks parts files will not open in E drawings? It makes no difference to me as I only use Onshape however it would be nice for some of my vendors.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    @wayne_sauder
    It looks like the version of SolidWorks Onshape in able to save parts in too old.



    After opening the part and letting a newer version of solidworks update the file it works

  • wayne_sauderwayne_sauder Member Posts: 109 PRO
    Thanks, John 
    Why would you not make your viewer open any version that your software is capable of creating is beyond me!  
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    edited April 20
    I think eDrawings may have came out after 98, eDrawings can't build a model from the feature tree like solidworks. So it needs a 3D solid stored separately in the sldprt file. This is why you get the "could be out of date" watermark. because that internal solid may not have been rebuilt during a save.

    So the earlier versions of SW did not have this extra data for eDrawings to open.

    What I find stupid is you can't open a newer version of solidworks parts with and older version of edrawings.
    There hasn't been anything groundbreaking in eDrawings in years. So there can't be much in the way of incompatibility. . .

    SolidWorks is well know for being version Nazis though. So it's par for the course.
  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    WOW... just WOW.

    I have a pattern in SW, that defines the stroke of a drawer so I can see the open and closed position.

    I went to put a stop block in position by mating to the detent arm. And just look at this garbage... 

    The gif here shows the part is indeed patterned and fully defined. It even says so in the pop up tool tip.
    But as soon as you move the stop block I was trying to position, The pattern is flexible.

    I really don't know what to say, but Damn... That is BAAAAD

  • john_mcclaryjohn_mcclary Member, Developers Posts: 3,231 PRO
    edited April 21
    Poor guy,

    One of my guys just got back to work today from having covid, and to put salt on the wound 3 of his files were corrupt again.




  • alnis_smidchensalnis_smidchens Member Posts: 301 EDU
    @john_mcclary with the frequency that SolidWorks corrupts my work, I've found GrabCAD Workbench to be a great resource to help with version control. I think someone else also mentioned it in this thread. It also lets you sort of collaborate on SolidWorks models, showing who changed which files and it makes sure only changed files are uploaded/downloaded. Currently there's no charge/fee to use it, even for large commercial projects.

    Not real time/Onshape-like and you still never want two people to edit the same file, but it's good for both small and large projects without the hassle of a full check in/check out system (but it does let you optionally lock files for edits if it's critical to check something out). We're using it at a couple of student groups at the UW with about ~50 active CAD users (~100 total users incl. viewers/passive users) working on a single project without too many problems.

    Don't trust its web viewer though. While it does display models accurately, the measurements are somehow incorrect and it often fails to load models for viewing, particularly heavy ones.
    Get in touch: [email protected] | My personal site: https://alnis.dev | My YouTube channel (I make tutorial videos for Onshape & Inventor): https://www.youtube.com/c/AlnisSmidchens
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